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Originally Posted by Tom

Thats only assuming the universe actually had a beginning to start with. Our minds can't comprehend that the universe might have always just been here.

No I have no problem understanding that concept, it was always there as one small infinitismal point of pure condensed energy, that was always there as a single point of pure condensed energy and it would have always been a single point of pure condenced energy unless something created a change in its state and the big bang started. Some external force, catalyst call it what you want, umm I know lets call it God, for want of a better word, God doesnt have to be an omnipowerful all knowing all loving being does he?

You see if it was an infinite singularity containing all energy/matter then something other than energy/matter would have had to create the effect, if it wasnt an infinite singularity of energy/matter then it had a beginning and if it had a beginning it had a creating force or creator - God.

God doesnt have to be as is defined in any of the religions in existance, having been in existance or even that will come into existance.