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Originally Posted by TerryTagnut

What's laughable about a potato? Or a pepper. They both have nicotine in them. That was just an example that nicotine is found in innocuous sources. An example that nicotine is fairly common and not just found in a rolled up piece of paper full of tar. I'm not sure why the inclusion of this example is so difficult for you to grasp? Why was my reference to milk so hard for you to understand? Don't you realise that supermarket milk is full of growth hormones? Sorry, I overestimated you, I thought you'd be able to join the dots together, to comprehend the implicit.

This is becoming a fruitless discussion to be honest. It's getting ridiculous. I supply you with peer-review research from leading medical scientist and you call that pseudo-science, but at the same time, you give me a link from a laughing-stock who's not even a qualified medical practitioner!

You're suffering from a bad bout of confirmation bias because instead of perhaps looking at those peer-reviewed studies I supplied you with, you'd rather attack science with ignorance in the form of Stanton Glantz. The man's a laughing stock, period. It's quite embarrassing even referring to him.

Nope about the diacetyl. I make my own liquid. I have my own pharma grade PG/VG/Nic and get my custard from a company called Flavourart, who don't use diacetyl in their custards.

Addiction. Please don't moralise to me about addiction. You refused to answer if you consumed caffeine, or alcohol. We all have our poisons. God, even TV can be said to be a form of addiction. Unless you can come back to me and say you do regular exercise, don't indulge in alcohol, don't drink caffeine, don't indulge in the odd 'recreational' drug etc etc, then you can keep your lecturing to yourself. Otherwise, it just makes you look like a high-horsed, moralising hypocrite.

Right I'm done I guess. My last post. I enjoy engaging in conversation, but one addiction I don't suffer from is banging my head unremittingly against a brick wall. I think I might need an E-wall

It's not difficult for me to grasp it's just pointless... as pointless as saying when you use mouthwash you should join AA as it contains alcohol.
Whatever issues you have with the dairy industry are not relevant to this thread either so shall we stick to the issue here?
I think the consensus is there is a question mark over the industry with it being so new and much of the information comes from sources with some kind of organisational bias so it's hard to find reputable independent study.

However you make your frankenfags is of no interest to me, again if you want to feed your addiction that's your business.
This is a discussion forum I don't have to have first hand experience of anything to have an opinion thank you but as it happens I do have experience of addiction as I am an ex smoker.. I hope that qualifies me in your mind to have a view on this subject.,I'm not a bleeding heart, a mail reader, fun thief or hypocrite.