[Withano]

UGH, and there he was sitting as my profiles bb19 favourite

This is why we must never trust tories ever, even the nice ones are *****.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cal.

I’m gonna find dirt on everyone besides Ana so she wins by default

Too late, she’s being herself in the big brother highlight shows.

[Daniel.]

Still like him

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I agree with the last bit quite a lot
I don’t wanna get too political, but I feel like if women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men, which is really great, then they should also bear the consequences of this, because surprise being a man in society isn’t all sunshine. I’ll be content when we see moral protest against gender roles on both ends of the spectrum, which I feel is quite lacking in the daily conversation. Right now it’s just more about women wanting powerful roles

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

[crashandburn]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

Agreed. It's not a man's place (certainly not a little boy with no life experience) to set down the terms and conditions of equality to women. Women aren't asking your permission, boyo. Equality isn't yours to give under certain terms. It's theirs to take.

What a typical tory buffoon. All his opinions are probably just passed down the line from father to son for generations and he has no idea about the real world. I bet he's a carbon copy of his father politically and hasn't come to an original conclusion on his own about anything.

[Epic.]

'Oooh! WOMAN BEATAHH!'

Anyway I don't see why this affects him as a housemate so still looking forward to him

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

[Jordan.]

Gross

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Elliot

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

If anyone hits a person then they can't expect to get away with it or think that's ok . There's alot of double standards in society.

Self defence is ok and is not the same as beating someone for the sake of it .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

Bit off more than you can chew by being equal? Um ok then will we just leave the boys to be in charge so we're not chewing too much

[Greg!]

He didn't even say anything that bad. If a gal hit me id hit her back and knock ha out!

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"If women truly want to be accepted on equal terms to men" that sounds so condescending

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

[crashandburn]

Originally Posted by Elliot

But that’s what they want??? Not more treading on egg shells :gasp: if they want it, take it. But don’t complain when you’ve bit off more than you can chew

the point is it's not his place to set down the terms of equality as if he owns it and he'll only "let" women have it if they abide by his terms. He's a little boy. He doesn't have a clue. He's just vomiting up recycled opinions from his tory family that have been fed to him all his life and he doesn't really know what he's saying.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

Mmhhm

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Bit off more than you can chew by being equal? Um ok then will we just leave the boys to be in charge so we're not chewing too much

If a social class wants to assume the role of power in society, great! Power isn’t all fun had by all though. It’s be pretty foolish to fill a role and not accept its responsibilities.... this would be all dandy if social advocacy aimed to eradicate these unfair responsibilities, but that end seems to be crickets.

This is literally only aimed at people who want ‘equality’ yet want to consist double standards

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

You're taking it out of context ! .

If a man gets slapped across his face 9 out of 10 times he won't even touch a woman back i hope you realise that ? . He'll shout and probably call her crazy !! but that's it , he might even just walk away .

It's as if it's the norm for a woman to hit a guy without reprecussion . Unless that guy is being a total thug or vile then there's no excuse to hit him .

But it works both ways , self defence is there to protect the person who's UNFAIRLY being attacked physically and that goes for both FEMALE & MALE ! .

[crashandburn]

Originally Posted by Elliot

If a social class wants to assume the role of power in society, great! Power isn’t all fun had by all though. It’s be pretty foolish to fill a role and not accept its responsibilities.... this would be all dandy if social advocacy aimed to eradicate these unfair responsibilities, but that end seems to be crickets.

This is literally only aimed at people who want ‘equality’ yet want to consist double standards

the whole point of equality is that it's not about assuming the role of power though. It's about being equal. As the name suggests.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it's funny because i only see men say that to justify beating women

every. single. time.

yup

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by crashandburn

the point is it's not his place to set down the terms of equality as if he owns it and he'll only "let" women have it if they abide by his terms. He's a little boy. He doesn't have a clue. He's just vomiting up recycled opinions from his tory family that have been fed to him all his life and he doesn't really know what he's saying.

Yeah and I probably don’t agree with his other opinion on feminism..... I just hate this double standard and it’s a shame it’s only people like him that seem to be calling it out (I mean on the political spectrum since everyone associates conservatives with those who oppose social progrsssion, and thus it isn’t taken seriously)

Maybe I worded it weird, I’m just trying to be frank. I have no power in society I’m only 18 just like him. I’m only just learning about the world. One of the main things I hate about this gender discussion is the consistency of the double standards that are actually quite harmful, and this is mostly because my mom was quite absusive and we weren’t able to do anything because of this consisting double standard.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Epic.

'Oooh! WOMAN BEATAHH!'

Anyway I don't see why this affects him as a housemate so still looking forward to him

It doesn't

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by saiwong

I think what Cameron is ranting about is what some people call 3rd wave feminism
which has tainted the original feminism ideals.

No-one, male or female should be hitting each-other, but if someone is hit they should have the right to retaliate and defend themselves.


As mentioned above...
I don't disagree that women should be immune from retaliation if they hit someone.

I agree, women can't demand equality and then play the 'weaker sex' card.

If you want equality you need to accept everything (the good and the bad). You can't pick and choose which bits of equality you like and discard the rest.

A wise post as ever, Saiwong.

Feminism used to be about attaining equal rights and opportunities; it was also about harmony between the sexes.


Too many people nowadays want a 'have your cake and eat it' approach to equality:

Demanding gender equality - in more pleasant industries such as the media.

Not demanding gender equality - in less pleasant industries like sewage work or rubbish clearance.

Funny that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

If a social class wants to assume the role of power in society, great! Power isn’t all fun had by all though. It’s be pretty foolish to fill a role and not accept its responsibilities.... this would be all dandy if social advocacy aimed to eradicate these unfair responsibilities, but that end seems to be crickets.

This is literally only aimed at people who want ‘equality’ yet want to consist double standards

Social class? I thought we were talking about men and women or Are you saying men and women are in different social classes? And the silly little girls couldn't handle the responsibility of being in power? I hope I've misunderstood your post

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by crashandburn

the whole point of equality is that it's not about assuming the role of power though. It's about being equal. As the name suggests.

According to someone else in this thread who gets mad at semantics every time I post it is. It’s not like there’s a mass social advocacy for more women dustbin workers, or miners. The discussion is usually, profession wise anywho, about ceos, phd students, mathematical and scientific graduate fields..

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Social class? I thought we were talking about men and women or Are you saying men and women are in different social classes? And the silly little girls couldn't handle the responsibility of being in power? I hope I've misunderstood your post

Both men & women should be treated equally but sadly they're not .

People will laugh when a woman hits a guy across the face even when he's done nothing wrong . I doubt many guys will hit a woman back after that unless she's relentless and keeps hitting him .

And if he does hit her back after she provoked him then who's fault is that . Some people out there like to push buttons for a reaction.

Domestic violence is WRONG !! , but if it's self defence then what's wrong with that within reason of course .

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by crashandburn

Agreed. It's not a man's place (certainly not a little boy with no life experience) to set down the terms and conditions of equality to women. Women aren't asking your permission, boyo. Equality isn't yours to give under certain terms. It's theirs to take.

What a typical tory buffoon. All his opinions are probably just passed down the line from father to son for generations and he has no idea about the real world. I bet he's a carbon copy of his father politically and hasn't come to an original conclusion on his own about anything.

...He's an adult. He's allowed his opinion without being patronized by his age too.