[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Inappropriate behaviour is not always a crime however.
Just saying.

That's for Police, authorities and other parties to decide in law.
Via a court and jury.

Before anyone should be declared criminally guilty.
Again it's avoided because it doesn't suit.
However, MJ denied all, fought all in court and was found not guilty of anything on all 14 counts.
10 serious and even 4 of minor categorisation.

Just adding that again although it's become a waste of time doing so.
In my opinion.

I know. I said "at the very least"

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know. I said "at the very least"

To me this sounds more like grasping at straws , it's like you're saying "ought even if MJ isn't a paedophile he was still inappropriate" whatever that means .

It's like when people put emphasis on "emotional abuse" again what a load of rubbish .

If you see someone as weird and not normal then you see things that aren't exactly true, just saying . Media have been gunning for mj for years and now they're enjoying these new allegations . There's people who want mj to be this "freaky child abuser" it's worrying how things get twisted.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

To me this sounds more like grasping at straws , it's like you're saying "ought even if MJ isn't a paedophile he was still inappropriate" whatever that means .



It's like when people put emphasis on "emotional abuse" again what a load of rubbish .



If you see someone as weird and not normal then you see things that aren't exactly true, just saying . Media have been gunning for mj for years and now they're enjoying these new allegations . There's people who want mj to be this "freaky child abuser" it's worrying how things get twisted.

Well no that's not what I'm saying at all, I firmly believe that his clear inappropriate behaviour was because he was a paedophile, any other excuse for his clearly inappropriate behaviour around kids, to me, is people "grasping at straws "

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well no that's not what I'm saying at all, I firmly believe that his clear inappropriate behaviour was because he was a paedophile, any other excuse for his clearly inappropriate behaviour around kids, to me, is people "grasping at straws "

Disagree with you !

People are trying to say MJ abandoned kids,these kids were NOT even his own children OMG . why not question the parenting of these kids .

Plus MJ was a dad and had his own kids to look after , plus he was extremely busy working ,either performing or going on tours as well as charity work. I honestly think some of these fans expected or wanted mj to spend 24/7 with them which is NOT possible !!! .

Wade's mother kept pushing herself and wade back into MJ's life ,she kept writing him letters and kept stalking him . But they've made it seem like MJ was the one pursuing them. Like I said it's easy to twist things when facts are ignored .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Disagree with you !

People are trying to say MJ abandoned kids,these kids were NOT even his own children OMG . why not question the parenting of these kids .

Plus MJ was a dad and had his own kids to look after , plus he was extremely busy working ,either performing or going on tours as well as charity work. I honestly think some of these fans expected or wanted mj to spend 24/7 with them which is NOT possible !!! .

Wade's mother kept pushing herself and wade back into MJ's life ,she kept writing him letters and kept stalking him . But they've made it seem like MJ was the one pursuing them. Like I said it's easy to twist things when facts are ignored .

Absolutely right.
Superb post.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right.
Superb post.

I listened to an interview MJ did a few years ago where he said he visited a children's hospital, the media accused him of ignoring the children even though he took Minnie & mickey mouse there to cheer them up . He knew he couldn't win whatever he did as the media was out to get him .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I listened to an interview MJ did a few years ago where he said he visited a children's hospital, the media accused him of ignoring the children even though he took Minnie & mickey mouse there to cheer them up . He knew he couldn't win whatever he did as the media was out to get him .

Jimmy Saville used to visit children’s hospitals...treating the kids to outings ....

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well no that's not what I'm saying at all, I firmly believe that his clear inappropriate behaviour was because he was a paedophile, any other excuse for his clearly inappropriate behaviour around kids, to me, is people "grasping at straws "

Absolutely right in my opinion too
I've never bought the "he never had a childhood" bollocks. Like that should excuse his questionable behaviour around pre pubescent children. Plenty of people had far worse and never felt that having children stay in their beds is the way to get over that.

The parents are also guilty.

In fact the only innocents of this whole sordid tale are the children who have been exposed to all of this (at the time- whether you believe the allegations or not, they should never have been placed in a situation such as that where inappropriateness could or could not happen), either by their parents or by a global superstar who had a strong team of advisors around him.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Absolutely right in my opinion too

I've never bought the "he never had a childhood" bollocks. Like that should excuse his questionable behaviour around pre pubescent children. Plenty of people had far worse and never felt that having children stay in their beds is the way to get over that.



The parents are also guilty.



In fact the only innocents of this whole sordid tale are the children who have been exposed to all of this (at the time- whether you believe the allegations or not, they should never have been placed in a situation such as that where inappropriateness could or could not happen), either by their parents or by a global superstar who had a strong team of advisors around him.

I absolutely agree with you that the parents are also guilty, they did not do their job which is to protect and safe guard their children from danger and most likely were seduced by money and fame. That does not take any blame away from MJ though imo.