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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right.
Superb post.

I listened to an interview MJ did a few years ago where he said he visited a children's hospital, the media accused him of ignoring the children even though he took Minnie & mickey mouse there to cheer them up . He knew he couldn't win whatever he did as the media was out to get him .

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I listened to an interview MJ did a few years ago where he said he visited a children's hospital, the media accused him of ignoring the children even though he took Minnie & mickey mouse there to cheer them up . He knew he couldn't win whatever he did as the media was out to get him .

Jimmy Saville used to visit children’s hospitals...treating the kids to outings ....

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

Jimmy Saville used to visit children’s hospitals...treating the kids to outings ....

Paedophiles tend to be brazen in that way, I mean Jimmy Saville actually had a show that granted kids their wishes. . .

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Paedophiles tend to be brazen in that way, I mean Jimmy Saville actually had a show that granted kids their wishes. . .

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

No,but court of law did

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Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

Wowww I wasn't using his charity work to excuse anything. I simply said he stood trial and was found INNOCENT , you can't label someone a "paedophile" just because you think he's weird .

He was highly investigated for years !!! . Had negative media coverage for years !! .

Nothing like Saville!

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Wowww I wasn't using his charity work to excuse anything. I simply said he stood trial and was found INNOCENT , you can't label someone a "paedophile" just because you think he's weird .

He was highly investigated for years !!! . Had negative media coverage for years !! .

Nothing like Saville!

A blatant cover up is a blatant cover up.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.

You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

MO of a paedophile, just like why paedophiles choose to become priests easy access to children and at the time so powerful you weren't allowed question them

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why not?...the similarities are there. The wealth...the gifts...the adulation and fixation with children.
You were trying to make out MJ did so much for children and those in hospitals...it does not prove he is innocent.

Doesn't prove he is a pedo either.

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Plus the mockumentary Implies Brett Barnes was abused by MJ so he's suing HBO . And lets not forget the BS claims by an old maid saying Maculay Culkin was abused , when Culkin has been defending MJ and still defends him today.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

Exactly but sadly it seems MJs trial was a total waste of time.
So you mentioning a trial means nothing unfortunately
It's seen as a non event Goldheart.

To some he waas guilty, the law shouldn't hsve bothered with investigating him and not bother with Judge or a Jury.
So much for the law.

Then he's accused of abandoning this pair.
You raised he had his family.
It was fired back at you their abuse took place before his children was born.

That's the time frame of this pairs story.

It would never be considered,.why he spent less and less time with them.
Of the possible reason his own children came along and they were what mattered righty to him then.

You are totally right too in that MJ was in fact tried and cleared.
A world away from the Saville issue.

Good luck to you Goldheart however in your reasoning.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly but sadly it seems MJs trial was a total waste of time.
So you mentioning a trial means nothing unfortunately
It's seen as a non event Goldheart.

To some he waas guilty, the law shouldn't hsve bothered with investigating him and not bother with Judge or a Jury.
So much for the law.

Then he's accused of abandoning this pair.
You raised he had his family.
It was fired back at you their abuse took place before his children was born.

That's the time frame of this pairs story.

It would never be considered,.why he spent less and less time with them.
Of the possible reason his own children came along and they were what mattered righty to him then.

You are totally right too in that MJ was in fact tried and cleared.
A world away from the Saville issue.

Good luck to you Goldheart however in your reasoning.

Yeah we're all going round in circles in appears . But I will continue to stick with facts just like you & Kaz as we a know these allegations make zero sense.

Exactly why bother with a court & law if people still think "no smoke without fire" .

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah we're all going round in circles in appears . But I will continue to stick with facts just like you & Kaz as we a know these allegations make zero sense.

Exactly why bother with a court & law if people still think "no smoke without fire" .

Because many have been found guilty in a court of law and then found innocent years later...many have been found not guilty when hard evidence failed to prove without doubt by biased jurors...
To me and many others the facts and allegations make complete sense..

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I wish people would stop comparing Saville to MJ . Saville never stood trial whereas MJ did ,plus there was evidence to prove Saville was GUILTY .

BOTH paedophiles so fine to be compared

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

BOTH paedophiles so fine to be compared

You said that about Cliff Richards Chuff,he was also found not guilty,it cant be the 'laws' fault all the time surely.

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

You said that about Cliff Richards Chuff,he was also found not guilty,it cant be the 'laws' fault all the time surely.

Wait until after he dies

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You said that about Cliff Richards Chuff,he was also found not guilty,it cant be the 'laws' fault all the time surely.

Cliff wasn't even arrested Kazanne.
He just went and talked to Police.

No charges, nothing to answer to.

It really is incredible we bother to have a law system at all.
It seems it's felt some public opinion should just be gathered.
Ignoring all law verdict on people some don't like.
Even if they've never been arrested even like Cliff.

Thanks by the way.
Don't though please open yourself up to getting any grief on my part.
You've had far more than enough, unnecessary too, to contend with already.

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

BOTH paedophiles so fine to be compared

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Well said Goldheart, clearly the law means not a thing on here.

We really would live in a sad and in fact extremely dangerous society, where without any rule or protection in law.
People could just brand anyone, celebrity or otherwise, as something so serious as a paedophile, publicly too.
As on here a public forum.

Opening them up to possible kangaroo style courts and judgements and mob vigilantes.

With no recorded substantiated evidence against them.
It seems even here it's actually encouraged to do so.

One thing I'd do in law if I was ever asked to bring a new law in.
It would be to make it an actual crime to publicly brand anyone something they have not been proven to be.

I'm done on this thread.
Frankly, it now disgusts me as to the false accusations made as fact.
Truly awful.

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Cliff has not been cleared as he's never been charged ......Yet