[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...’like people suggest..’....as being portrayed by the targeting ‘gang’...yeah I’ve seen exactly the people who are being or have been ‘cancelled’ and it’s sickening how toxic this behaviour has become....I have nothing more to say, I believe you’ve just explained, Capri, ‘what people suggest’ about me and about others..you seem like a nice young lady, I’m sorry you’ve been encircled in this spitefulness and hate...

Yep, I don't agree with any of that either Ammi but it is unfortunate that a lot of people get dragged into that **** tbh

Originally Posted by Liam-

Bad cops getting punished, you love to see it, I’m glad the professionals could see that what he did was wrong and proceeded accordingly

"ANY" cops getting punished is a more accurate statement for this website tbh.

The only reason he got any type of "punishment" is because of George Floyd, so don't get too ahead of yourself.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As a matter of interest do you two think the professionals involved in this decision should have been suspended given their mistake ended in junior officers being injured under their duty of care?

Yes. If you're a leader you have the responsibility to lead, and the force didn't plan their operation properly. Maybe not suspension because every operation planned can't possibly lead to 100% success, and failure on it's own isn't a cause for suspension as long as they followed all polices and procedures. If they just winged it, then yeah.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As a matter of interest do you two think the professionals involved in this decision should have been suspended given their mistake ended in junior officers being injured under their duty of care?

What?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Liam-

What?

Cherie's referring to the incident with the lockdown party in Brixton when the cops went in to shut it down and ended up getting chased off.

[Liam-]

Oh, unsure what that has to do with what happened here but sure, no they shouldn’t be fired because they didn’t directly cause any injuries, they should be order to do more training however as they clearly didn't fully understand what techniques should have been used.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh, unsure what that has to do with what happened here but sure, no they shouldn’t be fired because they didn’t directly cause any injuries, they should be order to do more training however as they clearly didn't fully understand what techniques should have been used.

They were sent in with no protective gear, that was a decision taken by their supervising officer, if they had protective gear its unlikely they would have been injured? it was a mistake that was quickly corrected, when they had to attend one the following night they were all geared up so someone made a mistake that got officers injured but they kept their job because they were able to reflect on how badly they handled it and corrected it when the situation arose again

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh, unsure what that has to do with what happened here but sure, no they shouldn’t be fired because they didn’t directly cause any injuries, they should be order to do more training however as they clearly didn't fully understand what techniques should have been used.

so you never made a mistake in your job?

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you never made a mistake in your job?

Omg exactly

I don't get why people expect police to be more 'perfect' than anybody else

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They were sent in with no protective gear, that was a decision taken by their supervising officer, if they had protective gear its unlikely they would have been injured? it was a mistake that was quickly corrected, when they had to attend one the following night they were all geared up so someone made a mistake that got officers injured but they kept their job because they were able to reflect on how badly they handled it and corrected it when the situation arose again

Exactly, the person in charge made a mistake and it was rectified, they didn’t directly injure anyone, they should be put on an intensive training course to make sure it didn’t happen again

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you never made a mistake in your job?

There’s a mistake and then there’s using techniques that aren’t allowed or even taught to restrain people

[Liam-]

And btw, my job is to make sure my mum is kept in good health and takes all of her medication that’ll help keep her comfortable and help prolong her life, so yes, I do my very best to not make any mistakes because if I did, something bad could happen, I don’t think it’s unfair that people that are paid by us, to protect and serve us and uphold the law, are held to higher standards because of their job tbh, idk that might just be me

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Exactly, the person in charge made a mistake and it was rectified, they didn’t directly injure anyone, they should be put on an intensive training course to make sure it didn’t happen again



There’s a mistake and then there’s using techniques that aren’t allowed or even taught to restrain people

It felt to me like a very stressful situation that one of them didn’t handle very well, they were surrounded by a mob, the week before policemen were attacked while trying to tackle a mugger, no he didn’t cover himself in glory, but he may not be given an opportunity to correct his mistake like his superior has..be interesting to see what the outcome is for him

[Ammi]

‘The police have both extraordinary responsibilities and powers. These include powers that can impact on people’s liberty and even their right to life.‘

...this is why it’s so completely important that any ‘mistake’ in the police force holds accountability always, which is exactly what’s happening for the safety and trust of both the police and the public...

[caprimint]

Ehhhh Liam... I think we could all look back on our jobs and think... wow there is something I should have done better there...

I don't think the police should be excused or taken away from that

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And btw, my job is to make sure my mum is kept in good health and takes all of her medication that’ll help keep her comfortable and help prolong her life, so yes, I do my very best to not make any mistakes because if I did, something bad could happen, I don’t think it’s unfair that people that are paid by us, to protect and serve us and uphold the law, are held to higher standards because of their job tbh, idk that might just be me

....

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It felt to me like a very stressful situation that one of them didn’t handle very well, they were surrounded by a mob, the week before policemen were attacked while trying to tackle a mugger, no he didn’t cover himself in glory, but he may not be given an opportunity to correct his mistake like his superior has..be interesting to see what the outcome is for him

My god... EXACTLY!!!

Nobody here is in the police force so I don't know why they claim to act as if they know everything about it lol

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And btw, my job is to make sure my mum is kept in good health and takes all of her medication that’ll help keep her comfortable and help prolong her life, so yes, I do my very best to not make any mistakes because if I did, something bad could happen, I don’t think it’s unfair that people that are paid by us, to protect and serve us and uphold the law, are held to higher standards because of their job tbh, idk that might just be me

She is lucky to have you

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by caprimint

My god... I'm not even really interested in what happened between y'all but all I DO know is that regardless of what happened in previous PM's, other forums, or threads... is that Livia has been targeted a LOT and it's tragic to see by the exact same members for a whole bunch of the time and has been manipulated by certain people here.

You might not be part of any "group" like people suggest, but you sure as hell fit in pretty damn well, from what I've seen too. Anyone who disagrees here is "cancelled" if we weren't already, but do let us carry on...

Well summed up...and so very true.

[Liam-]

Would people have the same empathy for a surgeon who decided to do an operation a completely different way to what they were taught because they were ‘stressed’? No they wouldn’t, because that could have grave consequences, just like an officer handling people a completely different way than their taught could have, high standard professions that are there to protect us rightfully have to held to higher standards and different levels of scrutiny.

A secretary sending an email to the wrong recipient is a mistake, a police officer choosing to disregard training and kneel on someone’s head/neck is a choice

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Would people have the same empathy for a surgeon who decided to do an operation a completely different way to what they were taught because they were ‘stressed’? No they wouldn’t, because that could have grave consequences, just like an officer handling people a completely different way than their taught could have, high standard professions that are there to protect us rightfully have to held to higher standards and different levels of scrutiny.

A secretary sending an email to the wrong recipient is a mistake, a police officer choosing to disregard training and kneel on someone’s head/neck is a choice

Sorry but a surgeon doesn’t run into theatre ..they will have time to prepare and they won’t be surrounded by members of the public filming and barking orders, it won’t be long before beat bobbies start looking the other way, retreating like they did in Brixton rather than dealing with the situation

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well summed up...and so very true.

...excuse me...you’re praising a post that confirms/verifies.. ‘like people suggest‘ ...a pack mentality against me with the aim to control my time on the forum...

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Would people have the same empathy for a surgeon who decided to do an operation a completely different way to what they were taught because they were ‘stressed’? No they wouldn’t, because that could have grave consequences, just like an officer handling people a completely different way than their taught could have, high standard professions that are there to protect us rightfully have to held to higher standards and different levels of scrutiny.

A secretary sending an email to the wrong recipient is a mistake, a police officer choosing to disregard training and kneel on someone’s head/neck is a choice

Are you actually serious right now???

A mistake is simply that Liam... a mistake... but it becomes different when somebody's life is at risk or beyond that, for whatever reason hence why George Floyd's case was so terrible. But I do think for the majority of the time, it's a shame that people are not more forgiving and more complacent in the workplace because a bunch of **** happens there too. It's just not possible unfortunately, for people to be perfect all the time which is very obvious throughout specific instances and it is also okay.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...excuse me...you’re praising a post that confirms/verifies.. ‘like people suggest‘ ...a pack mentality against me with the aim to control my time on the forum...

Lol no Ammi... you've gotten that post entirely wrong. I genuinely don't think you are in any "pack" of the forum, but I DO think that others think you are, from what I've read.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Sorry but a surgeon doesn’t run into theatre ..they will have time to prepare and they won’t be surrounded by members of the public filming and barking orders, it won’t be long before beat bobbies start looking the other way

You think surgeons have time to prepare for a trauma accident? If someone is shot, run over, stabbed, they don’t have time to prepare they have to go straight to it, if they strayed from their training and make things worse or killed them, would they be expected to be held to account? Of course they would be

If they can’t stick to their training and they take things into their own hands, they either shouldn’t be in the job at all, or should be shelved until they’ve received the right amount of training necessary

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You think surgeons have time to prepare for a trauma accident? If someone is shot, run over, stabbed, they don’t have time to prepare they have to go straight to it, if they strayed from their training and make things worse or killed them, would they be expected to be held to account? Of course they would be

If they can’t stick to their training and they take things into their own hands, they either shouldn’t be in the job at all, or should be shelved until they’ve received the right amount of training necessary

The patient has to be put under for starters they don’t start operating in the waiting room on a wide awake patient in their jeans and T-shirt

And unless their colleagues attack them they are perfectly safe

[Liam-]

Take me for example, I’m a citizen, I’ve had no training to be a full time carer for my mother, I’ve been doing it for coming up 10 years, I’ve signed no contracts, I’ve taken no oaths, if someone in my position decided to give someone they’re caring for something they weren’t prescribed and something went wrong, all because they thought they knew better than the doctors, they would be held responsible and rightfully punished, why should people who do train to do their jobs but choose to ignore their training and do it their own way and potentially put people in danger, be held to a lesser standard?