[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpression=true

Video Clip on above link.





[Shocking moment racist pensioner is beaten up
on a London bus by two black passengers
after calling them 'monkeys'
The pensioner calls black passengers 'monkeys'
in the clip from a London bus
Two passengers exchange angry words
with the pensioner during confrontation
They tell him to 'get off the bus' and
the pensioner eventually swings at them
In response, two young men punch the
pensioner several times in the head]


Was on a tweet
so I had to post it.

[Liam-]

Violent racist gets smacked up, as it should be

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't be jumping around celebrating that an old guy got punched however it's hard to have sympathy either when he's got such a vile mouth on him

[UserSince2005]

Calling someone an animal and then them acting like an animals. Silly old man. He should have known better.

[arista]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Calling someone an animal and then them acting like an animals. Silly old man. He should have known better.

He is stuck in the past.

[user104658]

The reaction should never be violence, filming and reporting him was enough.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The reaction should never be violence, filming and reporting him was enough.

I agree with this , they would have had more credibility had they just filmed it and ignored him, all very much in the wrong. He is of an age that he was probably brought up this way and probably not fully composmentis, no excuses here just a thought and they were wrong to punch him in the head.

[Liam-]

We can’t all be perfect and not react when a racist abuses someone and takes a swing first

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

We can’t all be perfect and not react when a racist abuses someone and takes a swing first

Keep that as your defence.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

We can’t all be perfect and not react when a racist abuses someone and takes a swing first

Weird tibb was telling us murder was acceptable as long as it was self defense only a couple of weeks ago but punching a definite no no

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Liam-

We can’t all be perfect and not react when a racist abuses someone and takes a swing first

You need to be locked up if you cant control your emotions without attacking someone.

[Liam-]

If you don’t want to get smacked, don’t take a swing at someone, it’s as simple as that, old person or not, people shouldn’t be expected to keep their cool and behave when a bigot racially abuses them and takes a swing at them

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Weird tibb was telling us murder was acceptable as long as it was self defense only a couple of weeks ago but punching a definite no no

White people can murder people in ‘self defense’ but heaven forbid black people defend themselves against violent racists

‘Angry lefties!! ’

[Vanessa]

Violence is never acceptable in any circumstances.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

White people can murder people in ‘self defense’ but heaven forbid black people defend themselves against violent racists

‘Angry lefties!! ’

Neither is defensible, neither was self-defense. Self defense is action you have to take to stop an immediate and active attack. Going in swinging on someone who has backed down is retaliation. If someone is hitting you and you hit back to make them stop then you're defending yourself. If someone punches you in the face and then a few minutes later you walk over and punch them in the face, you're both guilty of assault.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Neither is defensible, neither was self-defense. Self defense is action you have to take to stop an immediate and active attack. Going in swinging on someone who has backed down is retaliation. If someone is hitting you and you hit back to make them stop then you're defending yourself. If someone punches you in the face and then a few minutes later you walk over and punch them in the face, you're both guilty of assault.

‘Other passengers stand between the arguing parties and try to defuse the situation, while encouraging the two black commuters to leave the bus.

They do, but more angry words are exchanged before the pensioner jumps to his feet and appears to swing at the black passengers.

He is then punched several times, leaving him with a black eye and a bump on his head.‘

They were leaving, he got up to them and swung at them, they didn’t ‘go back’ to him.

[UserSince2005]

imagine trying to justify an old man being attacked. embarrassing.

[Liam-]

Ah, they got back on the bus, but the old guy got up and swung first so, sorry, he asked for it

[Ammi]

...not wishing to open a whole can of worms/..type thing...I know that some older people can have quite prejudiced views on race as well as other things and it can never be excused as a generation thing because it was prejudice back in the day and remains prejudice...but since the referendum/result...it feels that those prejudices are much more vocal, rather than staying within the head and thoughts...which if they have to be felt and could never be changed, is the best place for them...

[Liam-]

If a violent old bigot started calling me a ******, puff, queer, pillow biter or whatnot and then took a swing at me then sorry, but I was raised to defend myself, I’m not gonna potentially take a beating from a bigot because they’re old, not happening I’m afraid

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Violence is never, ever acceptable. Unless you're waaaay over on the Left, right Liam? Then you can smack anyone who disagrees with you.

Boris the lefty.

Youtube video

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

‘Other passengers stand between the arguing parties and try to defuse the situation, while encouraging the two black commuters to leave the bus.

They do, but more angry words are exchanged before the pensioner jumps to his feet and appears to swing at the black passengers.

He is then punched several times, leaving him with a black eye and a bump on his head.‘

They were leaving, he got up to them and swung at them, they didn’t ‘go back’ to him.

I watched the video with my eyeballs, I didn't need a synopsis, he was nowhere near them when they approached on the attack. I'm not justifying what he said or did, throw the racist old arsehole in jail for his final days, whatever... throwing your hands around is never the right response unless you absolutely have to. You "being raised" to respond to violence with violent retaliation doesn't really put a dent in that.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If a violent old bigot started calling me a ******, puff, queer, pillow biter or whatnot and then took a swing at me then sorry, but I was raised to defend myself, I’m not gonna potentially take a beating from a bigot because they’re old, not happening I’m afraid

..yeah...(...from the vid that we can see atm...)... the older guy did actively appear to pursue the physical, as well as his verbal abuse...so obviously never condoning violence....it would surely be a ‘self defence’ and a ‘was it reasonable force’, type thing...and it went out of shot a bit so hopefully the police could determine that...

[Crimson Dynamo]

we obviously dont see how it started but essentially when a bully attacks someone he only does so when he knows he wont get hurt, that is why they do it. If that old frail man had been a strapping 6 foot 4 30-year-old the aggressive attackers would have done nowt.

Its not about racism its about bullying imo

vile all around andf again an out of context video that is very one sided

where have we seen that before

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah...(...from the vid that we can see atm...)... the older guy did actively appear to pursue the physical, as well as his verbal abuse...so obviously never condoning violence....it would surely be a ‘self defence’ and a ‘was it reasonable force’, type thing...and it went out of shot a bit so hopefully the police could determine that...

it doesn't go out of shot, one of the men is stood at the front of the shot with his chest right next to the camera, the ol' racist is off to the top right of the shot up a step a good 6ft away, the guy turns around and climbs the step moving towards him, he pushes him away and then he throws the punch. The old man is the initial verbal aggressor, and the initial physical aggressor. The attack was provoked but it was not by any stretch of the imagination self defense, he moved towards him with clear intent.

[edit to add] I personally don't think provokation is often a good reason for physical retaliation and it shows an alarming lack of self control. On top of that, physically attacking someone who is clearly far physically weaker than you are for any reason - again other than to stop an immediate threat to yourself of someone else - is morally abhorrent. That's regardless of whether or not that happens to be a good person.