[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I wouldn't say it was justifiable of them to hit him however I can understand why they got that angry

...yeah, this exactly...’in a perfect world’...but the world is far from perfect ...and even if he felt those prejudices and continued to do so forever and ever..the older guy’s ‘wisdom of age’....should have never levelled that hateful abuse in the care of his own safety...



....(..I still can’t see clearly that it most definitely wasn’t open to the reasonable force’ thing...

[Ammi]

..I really don’t think that Liam is advocating for violent responses to violence as a whole, as such, he’s very anti violence from what I’ve seen of his thoughts...but more, that violence may inevitably happen because ‘all responses aren’t equal..’...and the older man in his wisdom of years should have known that...



...anyways, that all really...the vid isn’t clear enough for me tbh...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I really don’t think that Liam is advocating for violent responses to violence as such

He quite openly and explicitly has.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He quite openly and explicitly has.

Yes 2nd post on this thread

Liam posted:
"Violent racist gets smacked up, as it should be"

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes 2nd post on this thread

Liam posted:
"Violent racist gets smacked up, as it should be"

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For Sure

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I really don’t think that Liam is advocating for violent responses to violence as a whole, as such, he’s very anti violence from what I’ve seen of his thoughts...but more, that violence may inevitably happen because ‘all responses aren’t equal..’...and the older man in his wisdom of years should have known that...



...anyways, that all really...the vid isn’t clear enough for me tbh...

Thank you Ammi, having words put in my mouth gets quite tiring, so does being told my views are less valid first because of my sexuality and now my age

Yet we’re told we should respect and acknowledge everyone else’s opinion as equal, it’s exhausting at times

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Thank you Ammi, having words put in my mouth gets quite tiring, so does being told my views are less valid first because of my sexuality and now my age



Yet we’re told we should respect and acknowledge everyone else’s opinion as equal, it’s exhausting at times

No one is putting words in your mouth, you've consistently advocated for violent retaliation throughout the thread. I'd gather the quotes but honestly there are so many I don't think that's even necessary.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one is putting words in your mouth, you've consistently advocated for violent retaliation throughout the thread. I'd gather the quotes but honestly there are so many I don't think that's even necessary.

I haven’t advocated violence, I’ve advocated self defence against violence, if you think people should just sit back and let someone swing on them, that’s perfectly fine, good for you, I believe people have the right to defend themselves up to a certain point and if you don’t agree, that’s also fine

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You haven’t hurt my feelings at all, I just find it hypocritical that you’re one of the first ones to get on your high horse and say people shouldn’t make discussions personal or, we shouldn’t try to invalidate people’s opinions, yet you’re quite happy to do both of those things yourself, if you want to debate my opinions that’s fine, that’s what SD is, but I think you’ll find it’s against the rules to insult and discuss people’s characters, but like I said, if that’s what you want to do then fine

You're mixing up ad hominem with holding an opinion relevant to the topic that happens to apply to you, and you therefore find offensive.

I said that advocating retaliatory violence is a dumb thing to do. I stand by that.

I said that in my experience, younger people are more likely to advocate for retaliatory violence. I stand by that.

Both statements are 100% relevant to the thread. They are not unrelated personal attacks. In order to not offend you or be accused of getting personal, I would have had to keep those valid opinions out of the discussion.

That's not how it works. You feeling personally attacked by an opinion relevant to the topic does not make those opinions ad hominem attacks.

Originally Posted by Liam-

I haven’t advocated violence, I’ve advocated self defence against violence, if you think people should just sit back and let someone swing on them, that’s perfectly fine, good for you, I believe people have the right to defend themselves up to a certain point and if you don’t agree, that’s also fine

That isn't what happened though, he didn't immediately swing back in self defense, he retaliated. They're not the same thing.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're mixing up ad hominem with holding an opinion relevant to the topic that happens to apply to you, and you therefore find offensive.

I said that advocating retaliatory violence is a dumb thing to do. I stand by that.

I said that in my experience, younger people are more likely to advocate for retaliatory violence. I stand by that.

Both statements are 100% relevant to the thread. They are not unrelated personal attacks. In order to not offend you or be accused of getting personal, I would have had to keep those valid opinions out of the discussion.

That's not how it works. You feeling personally attacked by an opinion relevant to the topic does not make those opinions ad hominem attacks.

You said you’d give me the benefit of the doubt that my opinion is because I’m young, therefore invalidating my opinion because of my age, whatever your experience, it’s got nothing to do with me, I didn’t find what you said offensive, I just think it’s completely arrogant to assume I only think the way I think because of my age and that I’ll think differently when I ‘grow up’

That isn't what happened though, he didn't immediately swing back in self defense, he retaliated. They're not the same thing.

You must be watching something completely different, the old bigot swung and the bloke swung back.

If the bigot had just been a bigot and was spouting words and he was punched, I’d agree with you, but the fact of the matter is, he started the violence, we have no right to expect people not to defend themselves based on who’s doing the violence, do I think every act of violence deserves a physical reaction? No, but I refuse to condemn people who act out of self defense against volatile, violent racists, no matter how many times you call me dumb or childish.