[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Rife with the usual mysogny as well, using Kate and I as examples of why something something is terrible, good job I have a sense of my own worth, the likes of Slim would like to crush me under his mansplaining ...tough

Have to agree on that one Cherie, although I doubt it's intentional, holding women "to a higher moral standard" than what's expected of male peers is a very common form of unconscious misogyny.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

Part of the issue Slim is that I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what centrism actually entails; it's not balancing on a left/right seesaw hoping to find a centrist equilibrium on every political stance, this is the misunderstanding that leads to people who don't tribally align themselves to either the left or right as "fence sitting". I come under fire for taking strong positions on pretty much any subject you can name on this forum. Not for fence sitting. If anything, for being "overly confident of a strong opinion". I get that same accusation from people on the clear left and right. Not accusations of over-neutrality; I'm branded a MSM brainwashed wokey by the Reform crew and a right-leaning conservative by what remains of the forum's social left. Frequently on the same day. Occasionally on the same thread. It's a real rollercoaster sometimes .

For the bit in bold you're incorrect I have never said that I would legally "ban" relationships between adults of any age; what I have said is that I find relationships with large age gaps, where one person is young (probably under 25, definitely under 21) to be highly suspect, personally morally questionable, and if a friend my age started banging a 21 year old I'd not be particularly interested in continuing to call them a friend. I don't want it banned, I wouldn't introduce any aspect of legislation or legality into that at all. But therein lies the problem, maybe? That you automatically assume that a moral personal stance MUST be related to a corresponding legal or political stance? That isn't the real world as I experience it, for most sensible adults, it's the realm of ... well, internet BS ... a warped reality that really reflects nothing particularly real, and yet increasingly spills over into the real world, because you have idiots that have no comprehension of what they're reading protesting and rioting for reasons they don't actually understand. Because they were told it was the way to go, by those they politically align themselves with, and who they trust do know what they're talking about.

As for economic stance that one is fairly simple; I don't talk about it on here because there's no point talking about it on here. The sort of "right and left" being referred to on most of the internet, and 100% on this forum, has absolutely jack to do with economics . We're talking about populations who need a calculator to figure out 20% VAT. Who believe that the answer to everyone having more money is everyone getting better jobs. Waste of time. It's not a conversation worth even entertaining.

That's a fair reply, but we have some differences, obviously

Firstly, any accusation thrown at you regarding holding strong or confident opinions, is also thrown at me, and I have many more differences with the TIBB echo chamber than you do.

I don't have a misunderstanding of what centrism is imo, but we can agree to disagree. I would turn that around and say that in the context you're using it, it's this mysterious unknowable, that can be all things to all men (and women - before I get called a misogynist again ), and allows people to float anywhere they want without ever having to reckon with any consequences. I'm not sure you'd argue against it being primarily a status quoist position, which has for the last 50 years been right wing neoliberalism.
I also don't think there is an economic conversation to be had with professor Trumpet, regarding Marx, and yet most people would know where my economic ideology lies.


As for 21-30, I apologise for misremembering and misrepresenting your views, but I still think you are way over on the social conservatism side of things - which is completely fine, and I have no hate towards you taking a moral stance, as my whole economic ideology is also based on personal morality.

I also wasn't using the example of you in the negative, but if we break down the 2 areas of politics most commonly used for simplicity of use - social and economic, then pointing out that when push comes to shove, socially conservative, economically hidden voters, will generally (not 100%) move rightwards, I don't think that's a controversial statement, especially with what history teaches us, and what is happening right now in British politics.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Rife with the usual mysogny as well, using Kate and I as examples of why something something is terrible, good job I have a sense of my own worth, the likes of Slim would like to crush me under his mansplaining ...tough

Point out 2 liberal dudes on the forum that quickly jumped on board with the riots or have changed politically so quickly.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

Have to agree on that one Cherie, although I doubt it's intentional, holding women "to a higher moral standard" than what's expected of male peers is a very common form of unconscious misogyny.

Come on dude, this is a fcuking stretch. I would expect you to know better than this.

A pickme post.

In fact, the only person I can think of that changed politically so quickly is joey, and ask him whether he feels held to a lower standard by me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The "I'm such a big fan of me" vibe in this thread is actually off the scale"

Usual two suspects

[The Slim Reaper]

A real, solitary dude begging for attention vibe.

Not even a suspect, police already have the repeat offender in custody

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Point out 2 liberal dudes on the forum that quickly jumped on board with the riots or have changed politically so quickly.

That is neither here or there.....you don't need to single out members of the forum to make a point, the fact that you do though shows me who you are....to a tee, also I haven't changed political view at all, I have been politically homeless for the last two elections and remain so.....but you know me better than I know myself obviously

Never see you hold Arista or Alf to account, great banter there for sure.

Apologies Arista and Alf you are entitled to your opinions and I respect them but the obvious kowtowing by Slim to you both is quiet hilarious while singling out me and Kate

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Come on dude, this is a fcuking stretch. I would expect you to know better than this.

A pickme post.

In fact, the only person I can think of that changed politically so quickly is joey, and ask him whether he feels held to a lower standard by me.

You are like a dog with a bone with Joey, why don't you just realise he doesn't want to engage with you instead of baiting him?

You come onto this forum to put mainly women down, you show yourself as bitter and not interested in people's viewpoints or even try to understand a viewpoint, its all you you you....you know best for everyone, its tiresome, you dont have kids, you dont have responsibility....you just look after yourself and your cat...once you come into the real world ...maybe you will understand people come from different view points, essentially unless you are far left or far right...views are worth a consideration

[Cherie]

sorry I should have added 'dude'....who the hell says that these days and

'brother' (never sister....hmmmm) ...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

You are like a dog with a bone with Joey, why don't you just realise he doesn't want to engage with you instead of baiting him?

You come onto this forum to put mainly women down, you show yourself as bitter and not interested in people's viewpoints or even try to understand a viewpoint, its all you you you....you know best for everyone, its tiresome, you dont have kids, you dont have responsibility....you just look after yourself and your cat...once you come into the real world ...maybe you will understand people come from different view points, essentially unless you are far left or far right...views are worth a consideration

And here we are again. I only ever respond to what people write, and yet weirdos get to line up and just write all kinds of sh1t about me continually.

We used to be friends - until you started fcuking speaking to me in a really angry and aggressive way, completely out of nowhere. 2 of the current mods even asked what was up with you, and I made excuses for you for a long, long time. Until i didn't make excuses for you anymore. I won't name the mods, but you probably already talk to them on a regular basis, so ask them. You were a fcuking snide, and so I talk to you like you're a fcuking snide.

Joey talked about my post, so I replied to Joeys post. No dog with a bone, no trying to pycho-analyse him - you could learn from that.

Just because I disagree with other peoples posts, it doesn't mean sh1t. If you don't like reading what i write, then you have the ignore function. I give reasoned replies that I back up with data and facts. In order to reply to someone, it sort of helps to have read what they have written, and If I've read what they've written, then by definition, I'm interested in what they say. just because I don't subscribe to your echo chamber, you don't get to tell me what to post and who to reply to, you absolute fciuking snidey weirdo.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

And here we are again. I only ever respond to what people write, and yet weirdos get to line up and just write all kinds of sh1t about me continually.

We used to be friends - until you started fcuking speaking to me in a really angry and aggressive way, completely out of nowhere. 2 of the current mods even asked what was up with you, and I made excuses for you for a long, long time. Until i didn't make excuses for you anymore. I won't name the mods, but you probably already talk to them on a regular basis, so ask them. You were a fcuking snide, and so I talk to you like you're a fcuking snide.

Joey talked about my post, so I replied to Joeys post. No dog with a bone, no trying to pycho-analyse him - you could learn from that.

Just because I disagree with other peoples posts, it doesn't mean sh1t. If you don't like reading what i write, then you have the ignore function. I give reasoned replies that I back up with data and facts. In order to reply to someone, it sort of helps to have read what they have written, and If I've read what they've written, then by definition, I'm interested in what they say. just because I don't subscribe to your echo chamber, you don't get to tell me what to post and who to reply to, you absolute fciuking snidey weirdo.

wow you are an angry little man aren't you? ....I don't take you that seriously to even get angry with you..... not sure angry and aggressive are my mode of posting but hey ho if that is what you thought you are entitled to your opinion as are the two current mods, not going to worry about it....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Come on dude, this is a fcuking stretch. I would expect you to know better than this.

A pickme post.

In fact, the only person I can think of that changed politically so quickly is joey, and ask him whether he feels held to a lower standard by me.

I actually didn't even think of it causing gross offense is the honest answer here - I've had my own subconscious bias so regularly challenged on the issues of subtle societal misogyny so frequently that it's become not a thing. It's not a moral high ground stance I'm still regularly challenged on it often enough lol. Women are held to a higher moral standard by both sides of the political spectrum; almost considered class traitors for not being progressive enough. It's an issue but it wasn't meant to be that deep. We're fellas raised in a patriarchal society, to claim that we don't hold some deep rooted unintentional misogynistic reactions is limiting, is all. I will take on board that I've at some point forgotten that "that might be misogyny" is for most people confronting.

FWIW it's not so much that I had an issue with the observation of a political switch, more that you for some reason chose to lump Kate and Cherie into one sentence on the topic, when (in my view, anyway) I think the only thing that they really have in common on here, is that they're female members. I found them an odd pairing to use as an example. It certainly feels like an "...even the female members" statement, when the bar for male members on here is in the actual sewers, and while holding the bar higher for female members might feel like it's a positive assessment/acknowledgement of how low the standards are of the blokes, it actually never plays that way in practice. It just adds the pressure of an additional expectation.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

The "I'm such a big fan of me" vibe in this thread is actually off the scale"

Usual two suspects

I'm enjoying your "Father Jack" era Trumpet, where you just sit in the corner farting and making crap jibes . Drink! Feck! Woke MSM! Keep it up sir.

[Cherie]

give reasoned replies that I back up with data and facts.

just wanted to pick up on this SLIM......you quoted me in your data and facts and you know nada about me, my situation, my background, where I am in life...unless you are stalking me ? ...so be careful about what you claim are facts

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

I actually didn't even think of it causing gross offense is the honest answer here - I've had my own subconscious bias so regularly challenged on the issues of subtle societal misogyny so frequently that it's become not a thing. It's not a moral high ground stance I'm still regularly challenged on it often enough lol. Women are held to a higher moral standard by both sides of the political spectrum; almost considered class traitors for not being progressive enough. It's an issue but it wasn't meant to be that deep. We're fellas raised in a patriarchal society, to claim that we don't hold some deep rooted unintentional misogynistic reactions is limiting, is all. I will take on board that I've at some point forgotten that "that might be misogyny" is for most people confronting.

FWIW it's not so much that I had an issue with the observation of a political switch, more that you for some reason chose to lump Kate and Cherie into one sentence on the topic, when (in my view, anyway) I think the only thing that they really have in common on here, is that they're female members. I found them an odd pairing to use as an example. It certainly feels like an "...even the female members" statement, when the bar for male members on here is in the actual sewers, and while holding the bar higher for female members might feel like it's a positive assessment/acknowledgement of how low the standards are of the blokes, it actually never plays that way in practice. It just adds the pressure of an additional expectation.

Thank you.... I know we don't always agree, but you do at times get right to the nub of it

I am particularly surprised at him using Kate, as she considers him a friend... and apparently he is her friend...jeez

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

That is neither here or there.....you don't need to single out members of the forum to make a point, the fact that you do though shows me who you are....to a tee, also I haven't changed political view at all, I have been politically homeless for the last two elections and remain so.....but you know me better than I know myself obviously

Never see you hold Arista or Alf to account, great banter there for sure.

Apologies Arista and Alf you are entitled to your opinions and I respect them but the obvious kowtowing by Slim to you both is quiet hilarious while singling out me and Kate

How were you singled out, exactly?

Because you were mentioned? I spoke about stuff you'd both written on the forum. I don't think/hope Kate would take offence, and I didn't write anything about her that was derogatory. i knew you'd take offence, but you'd contributed to both this thread and the thread I referenced. They were your words, not mine.

in a thread where I called out Bots (for what he'd written) and Joey (for what he'd written) you think me mentioning 2 women on the same 2 pages is misogyny?

Ask Alf and Arista if I've ever called them out. Ask LT, ask Parm, ask Mock, ask Oliver, ask SB, ask MTVN, ask James, ask any of the dudes that have posted regularly over the last few years. I've called them out on many occasions, sometimes I've been right, sometimes I've been wrong (and apologised), and do you know what? They've also called me out straight back. That's fine. it's a fcuking forum. I said this forum would turn into little more than MSN messenger a few years ago, and it seems like you're angry because it isn't quite there yet.

All you need to do is keep your head down and I'll disappear again in no time, but I might stick around a bit longer than I intended now, so congrats for winning my heart.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How were you singled out, exactly?

Because you were mentioned? I spoke about stuff you'd both written on the forum. I don't think/hope Kate would take offence, and I didn't write anything about her that was derogatory. i knew you'd take offence, but you'd contributed to both this thread and the thread I referenced. They were your words, not mine.

in a thread where I called out Bots (for what he'd written) and Joey (for what he'd written) you think me mentioning 2 women on the same 2 pages is misogyny?

Ask Alf and Arista if I've ever called them out. Ask LT, ask Parm, ask Mock, ask Oliver, ask SB, ask MTVN, ask James, ask any of the dudes that have posted regularly over the last few years. I've called them out on many occasions, sometimes I've been right, sometimes I've been wrong (and apologised), and do you know what? They've also called me out straight back. That's fine. it's a fcuking forum. I said this forum would turn into little more than MSN messenger a few years ago, and it seems like you're angry because it isn't quite there yet.

All you need to do is keep your head down and I'll disappear again in no time, but I might stick around a bit longer than I intended now, so congrats for winning my heart.

in order

wow you really want my attention don't you....

yes you have but only in response to things they have written and in a thread, not random **** you made up to suit your own narrative

I won't be keeping my head down,but you keep trying to stop me posting in response to your absolute crap.....and see how it goes

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

I actually didn't even think of it causing gross offense is the honest answer here - I've had my own subconscious bias so regularly challenged on the issues of subtle societal misogyny so frequently that it's become not a thing. It's not a moral high ground stance I'm still regularly challenged on it often enough lol. Women are held to a higher moral standard by both sides of the political spectrum; almost considered class traitors for not being progressive enough. It's an issue but it wasn't meant to be that deep. We're fellas raised in a patriarchal society, to claim that we don't hold some deep rooted unintentional misogynistic reactions is limiting, is all. I will take on board that I've at some point forgotten that "that might be misogyny" is for most people confronting.

FWIW it's not so much that I had an issue with the observation of a political switch, more that you for some reason chose to lump Kate and Cherie into one sentence on the topic, when (in my view, anyway) I think the only thing that they really have in common on here, is that they're female members. I found them an odd pairing to use as an example. It certainly feels like an "...even the female members" statement, when the bar for male members on here is in the actual sewers, and while holding the bar higher for female members might feel like it's a positive assessment/acknowledgement of how low the standards are of the blokes, it actually never plays that way in practice. It just adds the pressure of an additional expectation.

I discussed bots and Joey in thread, I didn't look for 2 different women. There are not that many people on here to begin with. if you can think of 2 alternatives to make the same point I made, and think of them in 2 mins whilst you're writing a post, i'll hold my hand up.

[Swan]

I knew you'd ignore, yet take digs at my centrists post Slim. We aint against you, but not everything is black and white. Im proud to know my own mind.

[Cherie]

anyhow I am out for now,going to watch a movie with the old man....night all

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

anyhow I am out for now,going to watch a movie with the old man....night all

Is it Santa? Night Cherie

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Father Chris Mouse

Is it Santa? Night Cherie

he does have white stubble good luck to Chelsea tomorrow

I'm going to watch Norwich v Burnley with my youngest as he has ticketss who is also the Chelsea fan....so double bubble hopefully

Night Swan

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

in order

wow you really want my attention don't you....
yes you have but only in response to things they have written and in a thread, not random **** you made up to suit your own narrative


I won't be keeping my head down,but you keep trying to stop me posting in response to your absolute crap.....and see how it goes

You're the one writing love letters to me, sister

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We've only had the chat for a few hours, and it's a Friday night - not really surprising. Need to give folks the chance to get sorted. Chill, sister Kate.

Don't you think you're being a bit OTT? How could I even start stopping you post in response to my absolute crap?

yes you have but only in response to things they have written and in a thread, not random **** you made up to suit your own narrative

I mean, if even you're admitting it, then I'm not sure it's possible for me to add anything to it. That's what I've been saying all along. I write replies to what is written, people get carte blanche on this forum to just make any old sh1t up about me personally. It's really weird, because i know for a fact that if I did it, it wouldn't be tolerated at all.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Father Chris Mouse

I knew you'd ignore, yet take digs at my centrists post Slim. We aint against you, but not everything is black and white. Im proud to know my own mind.

I haven't taken any digs at you, my friend. I didn't reply to your post, because I replied to sb, followed relatively quickly by Cherie writing me loveletters. I did plan to write a reply but it would have prob been tomorrow. Seems a bit moot now.

I don't need validation. I just pop on occasionally write a few posts, then disappear. it's not me who loses my sh1t because the nasty man is here to disagree with me.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I haven't taken any digs at you, my friend. I didn't reply to your post, because I replied to sb, followed relatively quickly by Cherie writing me loveletters. I did plan to write a reply but it would have prob been tomorrow. Seems a bit moot now.

I don't need validation. I just pop on occasionally write a few posts, then disappear. it's not me who loses my sh1t because the nasty man is here to disagree with me.

I get drunk, make myself look silly, and leave for a few days, usually head held in shame....

But, i don't hate your hate on us centralists, i just think you have your team, and don't understand "drifters"?

You know i have a lot of respect for you. Honestly, if there was NO ONE in the middle, this country would be ****ed!