[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Enid

Well he does because he brings the "Lord" into every conversation.

I honestly would not be able to talk to the man.

He does ,but when Keeva told him this he denied it ,he rams his ludicrous views on everyone

[ange7]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Yes, im breaking the law, just show's what an ass the law is and who created it.

And no, im not breaking the law because this law is about interpretation and im not advocating hatred against Dave.

dude my post was a joke.
I was hoping we'd all create a similar post using your cool rant as a guide. Forgot where I was.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

you seem to be the one trying to incite hatred.

can you give some examples of what you are referring to, or do we have to play a little guessing game.

'seem' is a word that could lock me up for 7 years. Terrible judicary we have.

I said already, Dave is saying his belief is the be-all and end-all, free speech and religious hatred.

Who decides what is free speech and what is 'religious hatred'?

Personally i'd prefer Dave to say whatever he likes, but that isn't the rules of the game. The rule is interpretation - the government can lock up anyone they don't like for 'incitement'.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

'seem' is a word that could lock me up for 7 years. Terrible judicary we have.

I said already, Dave is saying his belief is the be-all and end-all, free speech and religious hatred.

Who decides what is free speech and what is 'religious hatred'?

Personally i'd prefer Dave to say whatever he likes, but that isn't the rules of the game. The rule is interpretation - the government can lock up anyone they don't like for 'incitement'.

yes they can, be would it be lawful or legal, i take it you understand the diffrence between lawful and legal?

[Bigbrofan25]

Religious people are allowed to free speech and state their faith in public But they should NOT use their faith to justify hatred against another person such as saying the bible says gays are evil then gays should be killed or locked up as a result That would be inciting homophobic hatred directing at a homosexual person or in public in terms of hate speech and that is against the law

If someone uses abusive language and threatens someone because of their sexuality or color then that is also inciting hatred

As far as I know David has only said he thinks homosexuality is wrong in his personal view because of his faith he hasn`t said anything that incites hatred yet anyway

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

yes they can, be would it be lawful or legal

Would it matter if they get away with it, especially when you consider the amount of support they would have at their disposal.

If preeching the god thing isn't incitement, then surely preeching satanism (the opposite) is, yet satanism is a recognised religion that you can worship in the Monarch's armed forces.

What about non 'recognised' religions, can they only preech incitement simply because they're not 'recognised'?

[flamingGalah!]

I think Dave is just mental.... Years of drink & drug abuse has obviously caused serious & lasting damage... And if his loony mates on BBBM last night are anything to go on his whole "congregation" are obviously made up of mental druggies & alcoholics too...

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by Bigbrofan25

Religious people are allowed to free speech and state their faith in public But they should NOT use their faith to justify hatred against another person such as saying the bible says gays are evil then gays should be killed or locked up as a result That would be inciting homophobic hatred directing at a homosexual person or in public in terms of hate speech and that is against the law

If someone uses abusive language and threatens someone because of their sexuality or color then that is also inciting hatred

Does the bible say gays are evil? Why is it a bad thing to dislike homosexuals and homosexuality? Is hetrophobia bad? Is arachnophobia bad?

Define abusive language? Is all language free speech?

[Livia]

I'm not a Dave fan really, I don't agree with his regigious beliefs. However, the belief that seems to override everything else for him is that he thinks God wants him to love everyone. Strange that would incite so much hate.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I think Dave is just mental.... Years of drink & drug abuse has obviously caused serious & lasting damage... And if his loony mates on BBBM last night are anything to go on his whole "congregation" are obviously made up of mental druggies & alcoholics too...

Do you have no admiration for people who get off the drugs then? They have done it their way, and if adopting religion instead has worked for them - so be it! Would you rather they remained as junkies instead? Dave has been honest about his past - he is now entitled to believe in whatever he chooses!

[Bigbrofan25]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Does the bible say gays are evil? Why is it a bad thing to dislike homosexuals and homosexuality? Is hetrophobia bad? Is arachnophobia bad?

Define abusive language? Is all language free speech?

No not all language is free speech I`m afraid some hate speech can be considered illegal but it depends on how it was said and the motive behind it and what was said

The bible talks about the city of sodom a place where the bible says men were lusting after each other and hence where the name sodmomy came from to descride anal or oral sex both between gay men and straight coulples etc

However The bible isn`t very detailed on the matter of homosexuality some people have just used that part about the city of sodmon to descride their discust of gay men

However all forms of lust are classed as a sin in christianity even men lusting after other women is too

So the bible isn`t actually saying God hates gays or that gays are evil but its how people have interpreited it over decades especially protestant christians like Dave

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Do you have no admiration for people who get off the drugs then? They have done it their way, and if adopting religion instead has worked for them - so be it! Would you rather they remained as junkies instead? Dave has been honest about his past - he is now entitled to believe in whatever he chooses!

Not if they act like him & his mates no...

He has hardly just "adopted religion" though has he? He has invented his own pathetic "cult" where they stagger about as if still high as a kite or pissed...
They are offensive to true Christians...

[MaratSafinForever]

It's other people who're constantly bringing it up, not him.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

You should ask that from Jeremiah Wright, who is Barak Obamas pastor

Youtube video

[LadyNay]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

'seem' is a word that could lock me up for 7 years. Terrible judicary we have.

I said already, Dave is saying his belief is the be-all and end-all, free speech and religious hatred.

Who decides what is free speech and what is 'religious hatred'?

Personally i'd prefer Dave to say whatever he likes, but that isn't the rules of the game. The rule is interpretation - the government can lock up anyone they don't like for 'incitement'.

Free speech is just that - speech

Religious hatred would be active, if he actually condems other religions. But he's not ... all religions believe their religion is the be all and end all - that they are superior in beliefs. So it's a redundant argument ... you got your wires crossed... And when in doubt, read about it before so your opinion is at least informed.

Opinions are like arse holes ... everyone has one regardless.

[Hero1]

I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

[Bigbrofan25]

The law decides whats free speech or not There are acts of law which were passed in recent years such as the incitement religious hatred act and the incitement to homophobic hatred laws

These laws are required to protect people from abuse and hatred it is only right that people should be locked up for breaking these laws because you cannot use free speech as an excuse to bully or abuse people because of their religion or race or sexuality or gender

It is only fair these laws had to be created because there was so much widespread racism and homophobia within society and there still is believe me

I was raised as catholic and catholics are always subject to abuse all the time even though the law covers anti catholic hatred too

But there has to be a line drawn I think on what free speech is and what hatred actually is the law isn`t very clear on that topic

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Hero1

I found it odd when he nominated Covan he claimed he loves all people, including blacks, gays, witches and demons and such...STRANGE

He used this terminology again, when he was trying to claim he was not homophobic in the bedroom also.

I have noticed Dave has nominated every black person in the house, the man is a low belled snake.

He even lied and claimed Rachael flashed her private parts to him.

I have nothing wrong with Religion, but I find everything wrong when someone is hiding behind religion and is really a total sneak.

Here we go - he has been accused of homophobia, sexism, now racism - with no real evidence whatsoever! You are guilty of religionism!

You lot are the mad ones!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Not if they act like him & his mates no...

He has hardly just "adopted religion" though has he? He has invented his own pathetic "cult" where they stagger about as if still high as a kite or pissed...
They are offensive to true Christians...

I doubt you give two hoots about Christians - you just don't understand or approve of his way of celebrating his beliefs. Narrowminded or what!

[Lex]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Inciting religious hatred in the house. What he's saying is hateful, that his god is the be all and end all, that he is supreme - religious supremacy.

Black supremacy is racist - racial hatred.

YOU NEED HELP!!

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I doubt you give two hoots about Christians - you just don't understand or approve of his way of celebrating his beliefs. Narrowminded or what!

You know nothing of what I think of true Christians!!

No I do not approve of a cult where they basically roll about high on drugs...

Shall I start my own religion where I **** & smear it in peoples faces?? Would that be ok because I was "celebrating my beliefs" ?

Are you a member of his cult by any chance??

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Quaver is the one inciting hatred

Dave is spreading Jesus juice

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

You know nothing of what I think of true Christians!!

No I do not approve of a cult where they basically roll about high on drugs...

Shall I start my own religion where I **** & smear it in peoples faces?? Would that be ok because I was "celebrating my beliefs" ?

Are you a member of his cult by any chance??

I am a non-believer - no doubt you assumed otherwise! I don't approve of 'cults' either - just see no evidence that this is what Dave is about! A lot of assumptions have been made about Dave and his group - possibly unfairly, but I take as I find, and, so far, I like him!

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Here we go - he has been accused of homophobia, sexism, now racism - with no real evidence whatsoever! You are guilty of religionism!

You lot are the mad ones!

I never said anything about racism or he was homophobic, I just think he is a sneak that hides behind religion, I find him strange and odd.

You cannot compare black people to gays, witches or demons.

You cannot compare gays to Witches or demons...etc either.

It is obvious that he sees these groups as the same, and the way he partonisingly deals with it is with Jesus' love, it is almost as if he looks at blacks as a sin, hates the sins, but loves the sinner.

IMO do not compare anyone to witches, demons and warlocks, it is out of order and warped.

[BitterFruit]

I think that is giving way too much significance...........