[IheartBB]

Originally Posted by InOne

I love the film. But it's nowhere near as good as Scarface. I know they're different genres and that, but still Scarface outclasses it in every aspect.

Not once have I said that Scream is better than Scarface! I've not even been focusing on Scarface. I think it's overrated because it is held in such high regard and people seem to make their mind up before even seeing it and know that it's a 'cool' choice as a favourite film, but it certainly is not a bad film by any means.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's a bit rude. I take issue with you telling me what I do and don't understand. It is possible for people to understand it and not like it you know.

Like I said, it's nothing personal, just the way I felt about the situation based on past experiences and the fact that you didn't fully explain yourself until after you read other people's posts.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I won't be losing any sleep over it as I'm sure you won't.

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

Scarface has been way more influential than Scream.

A claim based on what? Within its genre, Scream has had more influence over the next few landmark films in the horror genre than Scarface in the gangster genre. Scream’s post modernist tone was present and had evolved somewhat through The Blair Witch Project and Saw (the next two landmarks). The next two gangster landmarks were Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction. Goodfellas was heavily inspired by The Godfather and Pulp Fiction re-wrote the rulebook with a post-modernist approach of its own.

Feel free to back up your claims through.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by IheartBB

A claim based on what? Within its genre, Scream has had more influence over the next few landmark films in the horror genre than Scarface in the gangster genre. Scream’s post modernist tone was present and had evolved somewhat through The Blair Witch Project and Saw (the next two landmarks). The next two gangster landmarks were Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction. Goodfellas was heavily inspired by The Godfather and Pulp Fiction re-wrote the rulebook with a post-modernist approach of its own.

Feel free to back up your claims through.

Scarface is a story about an immigrant who comes to America and rises through the ranks of a dirty city to reach the top, when he reaches the top, the people he pissed on and stood on come back to get revenge, sound familiar? Scarface is the reason why Grand Theft Auto exists, once of the best known and best selling games, also one of the most popular entertainment franchises to come out of the UK (Scotland).

Scream gave us Scary Movie and and bunch of other crap spoofs.

Yeah, Scream was definately the most influential, quote Scary Movie and see how many people know what you're talking about, quote Scarface and everyone knows what you are talking about.

If you want a defining and influential slasher, at least go for Psycho, Halloween or Friday the 13th.

[IheartBB]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Scarface is a story about an immigrant who comes to America and rises through the ranks of a dirty city to reach the top, when he reaches the top, the people he pissed on and stood on come back to get revenge, sound familiar? Scarface is the reason why Grand Theft Auto exists, once of the best known and best selling games, also one of the most popular entertainment franchises to come out of the UK (Scotland).

Scream gave us Scary Movie and and bunch of other crap spoofs.

Yeah, Scream was definately the most influential, quote Scary Movie and see how many people know what you're talking about, quote Scarface and everyone knows what you are talking about.

If you want a defining and influential slasher, at least go for Psycho, Halloween or Friday the 13th.

Influence does not always equal imitation. And video games never even crossed my mind because A) I don’t play them and B) we were talking about cinema.

And why even bring up Psycho and Halloween? To prove your film knowledge? What relevance do they have to this particular argument?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by IheartBB

Influence does not always equal imitation. And video games never even crossed my mind because A) I don’t play them and B) we were talking about cinema.

And why even bring up Psycho and Halloween? To prove your film knowledge? What relevance do they have to this particular argument?

A) Games are a similar form of media

B) Because they actually were influential films, and films that followed, followed their style - if Scream influenced this generation of slasher films....then...lol, that's nothing to be proud of.

[IheartBB]

Originally Posted by Chewy

A) Games are a similar form of media

B) Because they actually were influential films, and films that followed, followed their style - if Scream influenced this generation of slasher films....then...lol, that's nothing to be proud of.

A) I see your point but we were still talking about cinema. I do not play video games so cannot possibly comment further.

B) Of course I’m not denying they were hugely influential in terms of style and narrative conventions. But by the time Scream was released, the slasher film had well and truly run its course. Scream followed the typical slasher guideline that was laid out by Halloween but gave the genre new life by adding the post-modern, self referential element. This is still present in most modern day horror films. That’s how it has been influential. And you’re acting like every post-Halloween slasher film made was a masterpiece, which was certainly not the case.