[alex_front2]

God, I've so gone off Wolfie.

Yes, fat is relative.

To the 51stone woman bed ridden by weight living in Arkansas, Wolfie is a skinny bitch

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by anne666

I wasn't saying it was anyone else's business and I am not insulting anyone else's body.

I didn't say you were, we're talking about BB, remember?

[anne666]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I didn't say you were, we're talking about BB, remember?

Ok I thought you were referring to my comments personally. I have been fat thin and in between by the way and would never had made an utter holy show of myself like this woman. She obviously has issues and is totally devoid of a sense of humour.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

God, I've so gone off Wolfie.

Yes, fat is relative.

To the 51stone woman bed ridden by weight living in Arkansas, Wolfie is a skinny bitch

LOL. Now then what do we do about the Arkansas woman and her rage at Wolfy. Just maybe she is not a limelight grabbing plonker.

[ThisIsNickkk]

Wolfy is just become over dramatic and over the top as she has been lately.

There was no need for her to blow up as she did at Charlie the other night, and then she said in the Diary Room that she isn't insecure about her weight.

Sometimes tells me she is - the comments about "You don't have to wake up to THIS every morning" and "She doesn't think that there's a fat girl sitting in the room" - those comments alone say she isn't happy with being "fat". If she was fine with it, she wouldn't have blown up like she did.

It's Charlie's prerogative if she wants to feel like she is having a fat day. Wolfy is playing up to the cameras and the audience as she thinks this whole 'doing it for the weirdo's and fat girls' palaver is going to win her the popularity vote - but she's wrong.

[Kizzy]

Wolfy is a gobs*ite, who is she to dictate what comments the others make about their own body image?

Why didn't Charlie just tell her to foff? If she wants to act all offended give her something to be offended by

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think it is relative but at the same time, someone feeling bloated is not the same as being FAT.

It would be like a white person complaining... oh i'm so black, i've been tanning outside all day and my skin is sooo dark.

If you said that near a black person, i can understand that they might get offended.

If you you are moaning about it, it's basically saying that you think there is something wrong with it.

Same with being fat, if you are moaning about feeling fat, it makes it seem like you think there is something wrong or bad about being fat. so of course it would make the actual fat people in the room feel uncomfortable.

There is something wrong about being fat though. People have been told for years the bad health consequences of being overweight or obese so I don't see a problem with anybody saying that they "think there is something wrong with it" as long as they are talking about themselves or else giving a truthful opinion that someone asked them for.

[Before getting attacked I am saying this as someone who could do with losing a little weight myself]

Charlie wasn't talking to Wolfy, she was having a conversation with someone else and Wolfy completely butted in to complain about something that was none of her business. Charlie can feel fat if she wants and just because Wolfy is obese it doesn't give her the right to try and police other people's thoughts and words about how they are personally feeling about themselves.

I also hate this spokeswoman bullsh*t she's trying to pull. She doesn't speak for ALL fat people just because she is big herself.

I don't see why people should have to pussyfoot around Wolfy for fear of offending her. People never have any problem tutting and bitching to smokers about how gross and unhealthy they are, or telling them they stink or that their teeth are yellowing (even if they don't smoke around the person), but the same people would often never open their mouth to dare give any constructive criticism to somebody who overeats a lot and is obese.

It is absolutely nice to be tactful of course, and it would of course have been completely wrong if Charlie had gone up to Wolfy and made nasty comments to her about being obese, or if Charlie when talking about her own weight had started saying something like how 'fat people are also disgustingly horrible individuals.' That would of course have been both untrue and mean.

As it stands though, all she said was that her jeans wouldn't fit and so she felt fat, or something along those lines.
She didn't go overboard with negative descriptions of fat, she made no comment about Wolfy, infact she wasn't even talking to Wolfy at all, she made a simple observation about HER OWN body weight.
I don't think she did anything wrong.

[joeysteele]

I really couldn't follow Wolfy's logic talking to Charlie on the highlights last night.

[Scream]

Being fat is only relative when Wolfy is speaking about herself apparently. Has she not stopped to think that she's being the biggest hypocrite in the world seeing as there are other people a lot bigger than her who have far bigger problems yet she calls herself fat...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by xPinkpegasusx

There is something wrong about being fat though. People have been told for years the bad health consequences of being overweight or obese so I don't see a problem with anybody saying that they "think there is something wrong with it" as long as they are talking about themselves or else giving a truthful opinion that someone asked them for.

[Before getting attacked I am saying this as someone who could do with losing a little weight myself]

Charlie wasn't talking to Wolfy, she was having a conversation with someone else and Wolfy completely butted in to complain about something that was none of her business. Charlie can feel fat if she wants and just because Wolfy is obese it doesn't give her the right to try and police other people's thoughts and words about how they are personally feeling about themselves.

I also hate this spokeswoman bullsh*t she's trying to pull. She doesn't speak for ALL fat people just because she is big herself.

I don't see why people should have to pussyfoot around Wolfy for fear of offending her. People never have any problem tutting and bitching to smokers about how gross and unhealthy they are, or telling them they stink or that their teeth are yellowing (even if they don't smoke around the person), but the same people would often never open their mouth to dare give any constructive criticism to somebody who overeats a lot and is obese.

It is absolutely nice to be tactful of course, and it would of course have been completely wrong if Charlie had gone up to Wolfy and made nasty comments to her about being obese, or if Charlie when talking about her own weight had started saying something like how 'fat people are also disgustingly horrible individuals.' That would of course have been both untrue and mean.

As it stands though, all she said was that her jeans wouldn't fit and so she felt fat, or something along those lines.
She didn't go overboard with negative descriptions of fat, she made no comment about Wolfy, infact she wasn't even talking to Wolfy at all, she made a simple observation about HER OWN body weight.
I don't think she did anything wrong.

She has a right to be offended though, when someone says "ohh i feel so fat" and they say it in a disparaging way.... clearly they are saying that being fat is gross and disgusting and horrible... so it makes sense that Wolfy would be offended by that.

[lostalex]

If I say to someone, "ohh I spent too much time in the sun, I look so dark, I look black!"

Are you saying you can't understand why a black person would be offended by that?

If you are saying that you look repulsive just because you look fat, and there is a person who is actually fat standing right next to you, do you not see how that is offensive?

You are basically saying, ewww, i might be as gross as her, i feel like i'm as ugly as her. I feel so fat.

Of course that would be offensive.

It's not rocket science to understand.

[Scream]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If I say to someone, "ohh I spent too much time in the sun, I look so dark, I look black!"

Are you saying you can't understand why a black person would be offended by that?

If you are saying that you look repulsive just because you look fat, and there is a person who is actually fat standing right next to you, do you not see how that is offensive?

You are basically saying, ewww, i might be as gross as her, i feel like i'm as ugly as her. I feel so fat.

Of course that would be offensive.

It's not rocket science to understand.

Wolfy calls herself fat? She pulled out her stomach and said she has to wake up to that every morning. That's implying that she feels gross in herself. Which would also imply to fat viewers who are fatter than Wolfy that they are gross. Pot kettle black my friend. Bye.

[MatthewS]

Originally Posted by lostalex

She has a right to be offended though, when someone says "ohh i feel so fat" and they say it in a disparaging way.... clearly they are saying that being fat is gross and disgusting and horrible... so it makes sense that Wolfy would be offended by that.

Realistically, unless Wolfy has a medical condition, she's overweight because of a lack of daily exercise and a poor diet. That's nobody's fault but her own. She should have a little accountability for her own actions, you can't expect everyone to bite their tongue because you've made poor decisions for yourself...

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by lostalex

She has a right to be offended though, when someone says "ohh i feel so fat" and they say it in a disparaging way.... clearly they are saying that being fat is gross and disgusting and horrible... so it makes sense that Wolfy would be offended by that.

She can be offended all she wants. She has no right though to expect that other people can't use the "f" word around her when they are talking about their own bloody body.

Of course she has the right to ask them never to mention the word fat ever again in her presence because she's obviously so sensitive, but they equally have the right to to tell her no that they will say whatever they want about their own body, and tbh I would agree with anybody who told her no, and to mind her own business.

She also doesn't have the right to speak for all fat people like she is trying to do.

[Kizzy]

No she does not have the right to be offended, she was not addressing wolfy she was speaking to herself personally and as they both as individuals have differing perceptions and connotations of what the word 'fat' means to them.
You can throw as many hypotheticals as you want into the mix, she had no right to try to make charlies comment personal to her as it was never intended to be a topic for protracted conversation.

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Scream

Wolfy calls herself fat? She pulled out her stomach and said she has to wake up to that every morning. That's implying that she feels gross in herself. Which would also imply to fat viewers who are fatter than Wolfy that they are gross. Pot kettle black my friend. Bye.

Excellent point.

[Pink Pegasus]

Just to clarify, I have said that she be as offended as she wants to be and that she ALSO even has the right to ask people not to say the word fat around her.
Other people also have the right to tell her no though.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by xPinkpegasusx

Just to clarify, I have said that she be as offended as she wants to be and that she ALSO even has the right to ask people not to say the word fat around her.
Other people also have the right to tell her no though.

They should justify using the word "fat" though. If I had a friend that said she was uncomfortable with the word fat, I wouldn't argue, I'd say, okay, I'm your friend, I will try not to use it again, because I don't want to offend my friends.

[lostalex]

They all claim to be "friends" in that house. If your friend tells you that a certain word is offensive, then you don't use it, you don't justify it, and you don't try to turn it around on them.

[Scream]

Originally Posted by lostalex

They all claim to be "friends" in that house. If your friend tells you that a certain word is offensive, then you don't use it, you don't justify it, and you don't try to turn it around on them.

Wolfy didn't ask Charlie not to use that word, she had a go at her out of the blue for it. That's the difference.

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by lostalex

They should justify using the word "fat" though. If I had a friend that said she was uncomfortable with the word fat, I wouldn't argue, I'd say, okay, I'm your friend, I will try not to use it again, because I don't want to offend my friends.

Yeah I would do the same if a close friend asked me.

However Wolfy had not asked Charlie that before, in fact she pretends to be someone who doesn't care about being fat at all and who is not at all sensitive.

Charlie also was not talking to Wolfy when she said it, Wolfy just happened to overhear.

They only know each other about 2 weeks and are not close friends, so Charlie could reasonably have said. "you're entitled to your opinion, but if I want to say I personally feel fat in a private conversation I will".

Now that she knows Wolfy is extremely sensitive, I'm sure she'll be extra careful not to ever offend her weight. I don't think she expected Wolfy to overhear her conversation tbh, so I wouldn't say that she was really knowingly moaning in front of Wolfy about her weight.

[Indy]

Wolfie is an attention *****. If someone hadn't made the fat comment, she would've found some other reason to ostracize people - talking about bad hair days when she has to wake up to that hair every day, talking about not liking some food item when she has to scrape and save for every morsel she has. People went on and on about Jemima making everything about her, but honestly, compared to Wolfy, she was an amateur.

[Cherie]

Charlie is perfectly entitled to say she feels fat, just because she is not the same size as Wolfy doesn't mean she can't express if her jeans feel a bit tight or whatever, Hazel said she was putting on weight as well, I wonder if Wolfy would have taken her on, I think not as she wouldn't get away with it and she knows it, and did we really need to see Wolfy pull up her top and point to her flabby stomach and ask Charlie would she like to wake up to that every day, it is down to Wolfy herself that she does, nobody else.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Scream

Wolfy didn't ask Charlie not to use that word, she had a go at her out of the blue for it. That's the difference.

Well i agree she was too aggressive about it, but i think she made her point clear. when she is struggling with so many body issues, and insecurities because of her weight, it doesn't help having a beautiful girl like charlie calling her self fat. I don't know why people on this forum don't have more sympathy for that.

I think MANY people on this forum should be able to sympathize with that.

[MatthewS]

If she's uncomfortable with her body, shouldn't she just do something about it then?

Wouldn't that be better then expecting everyone else to watch what they say so she's not offended?

I haven't seen Wolfy exercise or make any mention about having a diet, which she clearly should be doing if she actually wanted to get healthy. Unless she has a medical condition, she's overweight because of her own actions, ie: lack of daily exercise and poor diet. This is solely her prerogative and it doesn't seem like she cares to change her habits. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to expect people to watch their mouths concerning the issue of weight, when your insecurities about the topic are self induced in the first place?