[Crimson Dynamo]

Great documentary on last night on BBC 4 about the Amazing Randi (James Randi) and his life of exposing fakes and frauds. like Uri Geller and the like.




I would think by 2014 there will be few people now who believe mediums but we still have people who think they have seen ghosts despite the total lack of evidence etc.

So what supernatural stuff do you believe and why?



http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ics-and-frauds

[Niamh.]

Unicorns

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Unicorns

I am more talking about things that dont exist

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am more talking about things that dont exist

my sincerest apologies

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

my sincerest apologies

Its ok as I already knew that you would respond in this way by means of a small prophesy

[Kyle]

Manbearpig


I'm super cereal

[arista]

I do not need any help
I can sense a Ghost or Evil Ghost




Life In The City

[Crimson Dynamo]

The amazing Randi came out aged 81!

now that is pretty amazing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

I do not need any help
I can sense a Ghost or Evil Ghost




Life In The City

What about good ghosts?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What about good ghosts?

Never Good


Playing games
they are the Dead - still floating about

[kirklancaster]

You see millions of Ghosts every time you look up at the night sky - stars which died billions of years ago.

Who's to say that some 'energy' from 'dead' humans cannot sometimes be perceived by the living given a particular set of circumstances being ideal?

Do you seriously only believe in what your five senses perceive?

We know that some sounds exist which we cannot hear - ultra sonic ones. We know that some realities exist which we cannot see - atomic and sub atomic worlds within worlds. We know that there is something we call a 'sixth' sense because most of us have experienced it.

Radio and television waves are invisible and silent without a switched on receiver but they still exist without one.

Perhaps our brains - 90% of which we do not understand the function of - are capable of 'receiving' other types of wave energy which we have not identified yet but which exists nonetheless, and one type of such energy may emanate from human bodies after death - ghosts in other words.

Perhaps genuine photographs of ghosts have been obscured by the thousands of photographs faked by charlatans with varying degrees of success.

Who are we to dismiss everyone who claims to have seen a ghost as being liars, deluded or cranks? I am absolutely certain that some people have seen ghosts - especially of departed loved ones. They are not all nuts.

I will pose a variation of one of my favourite hypothetical scenarios; You are sitting at home with your partner or a friend, when say, Elvis appears to you. Old Elvis says; "I'm real man, but I'm a ghost . I just wanted you to know that death ain't the end. It's just the beginning. I need you to tell everybody man. Thank you very much". and with that he is gone. You both look at each other - yes it did just happen. Would you go out and tell anybody?

Would you hell. But even if you had the courage and actually did tell people - what reaction do you think you'd get? Even friends who would pay you 'lip service' to your face would think privately that you'd 'lost it' or were lying.

Think about it.

So how do we know that ghosts don't exist? How do we know that asylums haven't sometimes confined certain inmates who just should not have been there?

[the truth]

this ones a bit odd http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...78677474,d.d2s

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

this ones a bit odd http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...78677474,d.d2s

The Welsh pub one is weird but two things make me feel it's B.S. - This purports to be CCTV footage so one would presume that the camera is 'fixed' yet the footage is shaking like the proverbial leaf, and the actual footage shows the identical sequence twice.

The other video of the hoodie being dragged by a ghost is out and out B.S. also - though I don't know how either footage was done.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

this ones a bit odd http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...78677474,d.d2s

Looks like the ghost is shafting someone over the sofa.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You see millions of Ghosts every time you look up at the night sky - stars which died billions of years ago.

Who's to say that some 'energy' from 'dead' humans cannot sometimes be perceived by the living given a particular set of circumstances being ideal?

Do you seriously only believe in what your five senses perceive?

We know that some sounds exist which we cannot hear - ultra sonic ones. We know that some realities exist which we cannot see - atomic and sub atomic worlds within worlds. We know that there is something we call a 'sixth' sense because most of us have experienced it.

Radio and television waves are invisible and silent without a switched on receiver but they still exist without one.

Perhaps our brains - 90% of which we do not understand the function of - are capable of 'receiving' other types of wave energy which we have not identified yet but which exists nonetheless, and one type of such energy may emanate from human bodies after death - ghosts in other words.

Perhaps genuine photographs of ghosts have been obscured by the thousands of photographs faked by charlatans with varying degrees of success.

Who are we to dismiss everyone who claims to have seen a ghost as being liars, deluded or cranks? I am absolutely certain that some people have seen ghosts - especially of departed loved ones. They are not all nuts.

I will pose a variation of one of my favourite hypothetical scenarios; You are sitting at home with your partner or a friend, when say, Elvis appears to you. Old Elvis says; "I'm real man, but I'm a ghost . I just wanted you to know that death ain't the end. It's just the beginning. I need you to tell everybody man. Thank you very much". and with that he is gone. You both look at each other - yes it did just happen. Would you go out and tell anybody?

Would you hell. But even if you had the courage and actually did tell people - what reaction do you think you'd get? Even friends who would pay you 'lip service' to your face would think privately that you'd 'lost it' or were lying.

Think about it.

So how do we know that ghosts don't exist? How do we know that asylums haven't sometimes confined certain inmates who just should not have been there?

This is a fantastic post and I really commend you on making it.

It is massively thought provoking.
I have had things happen and heard of things which cannot just be explained away.
I do believe that some energy force leaves the human body once it dies and I hold an open mind as to what happens to that energy afterwards.

Brilliant post kirklancaster,in my view anyway.

[Kizzy]

Giving away the secrets of the parlour clairvoyants and magicians does not in any way rule out the possibility that there is something that we at the moment call a 'ghost'.

[Northern Monkey]

I've gotta say,I'm not a believer,Never have been.I even took my misses to stay in a 16th century so called 'haunted' pub where people claim to have seen things and been touched by ghostly beings just to prove to myself that i had the balls to stay in one and to see if i would encounter any spirits from another realm.But nothing was encountered and i stayed awake in the dark the majority of the night.
As for mediums,I think they are disgraceful frauds.The fact that they take peoples money and exploit their vulnerabilities is disgusting imo.
No offence to anyone who does believe in this stuff though,I just don't.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I've gotta say,I'm not a believer,Never have been.I even took my misses to stay in a 16th century so called 'haunted' pub where people claim to have seen things and been touched by ghostly beings just to prove to myself that i had the balls to stay in one and to see if i would encounter any spirits from another realm.But nothing was encountered and i stayed awake in the dark the majority of the night.
As for mediums,I think they are disgraceful frauds.The fact that they take peoples money and exploit their vulnerabilities is disgusting imo.
No offence to anyone who does believe in this stuff though,I just don't.

I agree, I don't mind the card tricks or the "mind reading" tricks where they get you to think of an animal and then they draw it, or whatever, but when they start using psychology tricks to make people think they're talking to dead loved ones... And take money for it... It just becomes very distasteful, in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Giving away the secrets of the parlour clairvoyants and magicians does not in any way rule out the possibility that there is something that we at the moment call a 'ghost'.

If you watch the documentary Randi did a lot more than that he exposed a wide variety of psychic scams, some government funded and offered 1 million dollars for anyone to provide proof, which of course no one ever did. He was also the first to expose the very lucrative Christian faith healer scams runnng in the USA where, like mediums, the healer worse an earpiece and used prayer requests to pretend to speak the "spirits. And thankfully he exposed Uri Gellar as a total fraud.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You see millions of Ghosts every time you look up at the night sky - stars which died billions of years ago. /snip

That is the problem with your post in general, we dont see ghosts we see physics in terms of distance and speed of light.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is the problem with your post in general, we dont see ghosts we see physics in terms of distance and speed of light.

Once again LT, you are riding your two favourite high horses: 'Pedantics' and 'Terminology'.

Light is an electromagnetic wave. Starlight, Infra Red light, Light in the visible spectrum, Ultra Violet light, X-Rays, Gamma Rays etc - it's all radiant energy. So, the Starlight which we see in the night sky which has radiated from a 'long-dead star' is technically a 'ghost', and all I am saying; is that, why isn't it possible that some - as yet undiscovered - form of 'radiant energy leaves the human body upon 'death' -- a form of radiant energy which certain people in certain circumstances are able to perceive?

Just as radio and television waves are still there when our radios and TV's are switched 'off', then perhaps these radiant energy waves which have left a deceased person could be still there - silent and invisible, just like radio, TV and other energy waves.

And just as all radios and TV's have the 'potential' to 'receive' these waves but need to be 'switched on' and precisely 'tuned' in order to do so, then perhaps all human brains have the potential to receive 'dead human radiant energy waves' but similarly need the brain to be in a state of precise 'tuning', and the environmental conditions outside of the brain to be in 'harmonious synch' in order to enable such reception. Perhaps when such conditions are 'perfect' then the subject can and will perceive that 'dead human radiant energy' which we have come to term; 'ghosts'.

Just to spoil your day LT and have you scurrying to research 'May–September 1988 Radio Carbon Dating Test' I wholeheartedly believe that this 'emission' of 'dead human radiant energy' - only a trillion times stronger in magnitude - was what occurred when the Christ 'rose from the dead' and caused the image on the burial cloth which we call 'The Shroud of Turin'.

But that's a whole other complex, and long and lengthy thread. (which will no doubt elicit purely intelligent, civil, discussion and relevant responses with no irrational overly-aggressive responses, no inane mocking comments which do not stick to topic and have no purpose other than to ridicule, and no irrelevant remarking. Well? I can dream can't I?)

Anyway, back to the subject matter - though digressing slightly;

Physics - your favourite subject:

If the universe is expanding (Big Bang et al) and as light 'diffracts' - spreads out as it travels - independently of this expansion, and if some of these 'dead stars' which are the source of this light are trillions of light years from our vantage point on Earth, then why do we still see the travelling light from these distant dead stars as starlight? Why hasn't it acted in accordance with the 'Laws of Physics' and spread out and dimmed as a massively wide glow of light? Why hasn't it changed colour even as it has 'cooled'?

I ask from a position of ignorance.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is a fantastic post and I really commend you on making it.

It is massively thought provoking.
I have had things happen and heard of things which cannot just be explained away.
I do believe that some energy force leaves the human body once it dies and I hold an open mind as to what happens to that energy afterwards.

Brilliant post kirklancaster,in my view anyway.

Thank you Joey. I believe the same as you do.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Looks like the ghost is shafting someone over the sofa.

I peed myself last night at this, and still laughed at it this morning. Your brain works in mysterious ways. Freud would crack up, but personally, I think if you went to have a check up by a qualified Chuckleologist, he would diagnose that the giggling pin which links your laughing shaft to your ha ha organ is grossly distended.

I love you Marsh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Once again LT, you are riding your two favourite high horses: 'Pedantics' and 'Terminology'.

Light is an electromagnetic wave. Starlight, Infra Red light, Light in the visible spectrum, Ultra Violet light, X-Rays, Gamma Rays etc - it's all radiant energy. So, the Starlight which we see in the night sky which has radiated from a 'long-dead star' is technically a 'ghost', and all I am saying; is that, why isn't it possible that some - as yet undiscovered - form of 'radiant energy leaves the human body upon 'death' -- a form of radiant energy which certain people in certain circumstances are able to perceive?

Just as radio and television waves are still there when our radios and TV's are switched 'off', then perhaps these radiant energy waves which have left a deceased person could be still there - silent and invisible, just like radio, TV and other energy waves.

And just as all radios and TV's have the 'potential' to 'receive' these waves but need to be 'switched on' and precisely 'tuned' in order to do so, then perhaps all human brains have the potential to receive 'dead human radiant energy waves' but similarly need the brain to be in a state of precise 'tuning', and the environmental conditions outside of the brain to be in 'harmonious synch' in order to enable such reception. Perhaps when such conditions are 'perfect' then the subject can and will perceive that 'dead human radiant energy' which we have come to term; 'ghosts'.

Just to spoil your day LT and have you scurrying to research 'May–September 1988 Radio Carbon Dating Test' I wholeheartedly believe that this 'emission' of 'dead human radiant energy' - only a trillion times stronger in magnitude - was what occurred when the Christ 'rose from the dead' and caused the image on the burial cloth which we call 'The Shroud of Turin'.

But that's a whole other complex, and long and lengthy thread. (which will no doubt elicit purely intelligent, civil, discussion and relevant responses with no irrational overly-aggressive responses, no inane mocking comments which do not stick to topic and have no purpose other than to ridicule, and no irrelevant remarking. Well? I can dream can't I?)

Anyway, back to the subject matter - though digressing slightly;

Physics - your favourite subject:

If the universe is expanding (Big Bang et al) and as light 'diffracts' - spreads out as it travels - independently of this expansion, and if some of these 'dead stars' which are the source of this light are trillions of light years from our vantage point on Earth, then why do we still see the travelling light from these distant dead stars as starlight? Why hasn't it acted in accordance with the 'Laws of Physics' and spread out and dimmed as a massively wide glow of light? Why hasn't it changed colour even as it has 'cooled'?

I ask from a position of ignorance.

Usual word salad that amounts to nothing more than an idea that you have formulated with no basis in fact.

Essentially my answer to all that text above is that if my aunty had balls she would be my uncle but she aint and she dont

As for your physics question, go look up the answer, I am not your pa.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Usual word salad that amounts to nothing more than an idea that you have formulated with no basis in fact.

Essentially my answer to all that text above is that if my aunty had balls she would be my uncle but she aint and she dont

As for your physics question, go look up the answer, I am not your pa.

Oh well - Angry is as angry does. Momma always said TIBB is like working on the bin rounds - ya never know what rubbish ya gonna get.

Bye for ever LT.

ps. I already know the (rather confusing) answer to the physics question, I thought you being so fond of quoting physics could perhaps enlighten me.

Oh, and as this is a Forum where intelligent ideas and valid viewpoints are meant to be exchanged, I'd much prefer a diet of 'word salads' which are relevant to the topic under discussion, than 'morsels' of irrational, unnecessary, uncalled for anger which are not.