[Crimson Dynamo]

Former Archbishop of Canterbury says ‘panic’ about the niqab is 'largely misplaced' even if young children cannot see their teacher’s face




There is no need to “panic” about Muslim primary school teachers wearing the full-face veil in class, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Williams, has insisted.

He said concerns that young children would struggle to learn from a woman whose face was covered were “largely misplaced” and that there are other ways to "read” what people are saying.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-Williams.html


what do you think?

[Niamh.]

I don't know how comfortable I'd be with leaving my children with someone who I wouldn't even recognise if I passed them in the street

[kirklancaster]

If that scary photo of him is anything to go by - he should be wearing a niqab, and if that is the kind of crap which comes out of his mouth, he should be wearing a gag.

Out of touch and totally irrelevant.

[Tom4784]

It's just not practical for a teacher to wear a veil as it will impede their ability to teach and I reckon most Muslim teachers probably wouldn't want to try to keep a class of rowdy kids under control whilst their vision is obscured by a veil anyway.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's just not practical for a teacher to wear a veil as it will impede their ability to teach and I reckon most Muslim teachers probably wouldn't want to try to keep a class of rowdy kids under control whilst their vision is obscured by a veil anyway.

Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

[Kyle]

What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

[Nedusa]

I don't agree with this at all

Also I see this turning into another anti-Muslim thread




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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kyle

What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

It stops non muslim men wanting to have sex with them or some such nonsesne

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kyle

What is the actual purpose of the niqab and burka?

The covering of the face is to prevent other men looking at the woman.

I can't say I agree with this, children need stimulating lessons especially children who are struggling with speech and language or reading and being able to see facial expression is important to child development so I can't really see his point here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It stops non muslim men wanting to have sex with them or some such nonsesne

Originally Posted by Cherie

The covering of the face is to prevent other men looking at the woman.

Is that the reason? Are women actually ok with that?

[Livia]

I don't think comments like this from an out-of-touch, slighly cracked-pot like Lord Williams are helpful at all. I think his comment is more likely to have the opposite effect to the one he was going for.

[Kizzy]

Far from being out of touch I feel his comments are progressive it would be a crackpot idea to suggest that her niqab impaired her teaching.
That said a sixth form student was recently banned for wearing a niqab, so it's unusual there is an argument for them for teachers and the opposite for students.

[Livia]

It's strange that, considering his position, this man didn't stand up for the woman who was sacked for wearing a crucifix, stating that it was just "jewellery" and not an article of faith. And yet he's calling for Muslim women to be able to cover their face in a classroom full of children.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His eyebrows?

the twisted vanity of the man

[lily.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the kids could throw things at her
as she turns to the Front

lol... only you, arista... only you.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Is that the reason? Are women actually ok with that?

Apparently so, got to say it would save alot of pennies on make up

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Far from being out of touch I feel his comments are progressive it would be a crackpot idea to suggest that her niqab impaired her teaching.
That said a sixth form student was recently banned for wearing a niqab, so it's unusual there is an argument for them for teachers and the opposite for students.

It would impair her though Kiz, as children with language difficulties need to have words modelled for them to copy and children with reading delays need to be engaged, it wouldn't help much during drama lessons either

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Apparently so, got to say it would save alot of pennies on make up



It would impair her though Kiz, as children with language difficulties need to have words modelled for them to copy and children with reading delays need to be engaged, it wouldn't help much during drama lessons either

also, I really wouldn't be happy with not knowing what the person I'm leaving my children with all day looks like

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

also, I really wouldn't be happy with not knowing what the person I'm leaving my children with all day looks like

Good point, I think there was an issue with the students wearing it that they could be anyone, the same could be said for the teacher, PC going mad yet again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would be amazed that any school would even consider hiring a teacher who would look like that

are they mad?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parents night

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's strange that, considering his position, this man didn't stand up for the woman who was sacked for wearing a crucifix, stating that it was just "jewellery" and not an article of faith. And yet he's calling for Muslim women to be able to cover their face in a classroom full of children.

Is there a link to that comment? I can't find one.


Thinking about it cherie as it's a primary school you're right, it most likely would make a difference in the lower years I agree.

[JoshBB]

tbh I have some teachers at my school who are muslim and they don't feel the need to wear one.. I think a hijab is fine however a burkha is questionable.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

tbh I have some teachers at my school who are muslim and they don't feel the need to wear one.. I think a hijab is fine however a burkha is questionable.

Yep, hijab or dupatta no problem, the face is still visible.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Parents night

Why bother having your photo taken there? Imagine telling your kids years later that was you when you were younger

'Which one were you mummy?'

'Ah sh*t can't remember'