[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No but I remember you being very caught up at the time though and may have just saw it as a personal attack.

Imo when people are getting all carried away like that is when the Mods should step in and have a look at the context first, instead of just infracting and then when I try to explain myself back to them, they don't reply.

It was a personal attack on Hopkins fans, hence why it was reported and you got infracted for it, don't try and swing it around on the people who got offended

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It was a personal attack on Hopkins fans, hence why it was reported and you got infracted for it, don't try and swing it around on the people who got offended

You do realise that a personal attack actually has to mean that the member is meaning the attack right?

And Mods seem to just infract anyone that gets reported which is a bit silly, and as I've already said a lot of Hopkins fans was on edge in that series because everybody elses fans hated their favourite, and imo I think some of them couldn't handle the Forum jokes very well as I remember that 10 page thread that also got shut down on me because I dared to call Perez "Jesus" or the time when he survived against Nadia and how I apparently was "disrespecting Freddie Mercury's name" by saying we are the champions.

But back on my original issue, having a joke shouldn't get you infracted, otherwise we all would've been infracted at some point with our jokes because they've offended people.

[Smithy]

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now

Originally Posted by Josy

I agree that the infraction system can be messy but to be honest there is never going to be a 'set' system that can work, especially on here, there still is set points but I personally tend to go by what infractions a member has had in the past, if you for example had 10 infractions for insulting others then I would be more inclined to give you higher points for an insult than I would for someone that had 1 infraction in the past for insults...

Theres so many members with different points and infraction reasons that to treat every single rule break for each member the same way would be extremely unfair.

If 2 people are infracted at the same time and one is pushed into a ban then all I can say is that it's entirely their own fault, they must have broken more rules in the past to have high enough points to be pushed into a ban.

The straight ban thing, it can be extremely frustrating if arguing continues when we have already given out infractions to some of the members involved and maybe already posted a warning in the thread, arguing doesn't just affect the members involved it is also unfair on members that just want to reply to the thread topic to have to keep scrolling through drama, so a straight ban is the next thing.

I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling ), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now



I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling ), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message

Nooo I think you misunderstood that. Its more a case of...if you had 4/5 infractions for insulting people over the past week, then you insulted someone again, you would get more points as you are obviously ignoring warnings and stuff. Infractions from ages ago don't matter.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Mock can you just shut up and get over it, odds are the infraction has expired by now so I'm not entirely sure why you feel the need to drag it all up now



I can understand why you'd do that, but i don't really think it's fair, I have 16 pages of infractions, so a lot of them are going to be for varying offences, does that mean that all my infractions are going to be higher?

I think you need to treat every reported post or potentially infractionable post completely separate to past infracted posts by the member whose potentially being infracted (i hope I'm making sense i feel like I'm just rambling ), that way noone can accuse mods of being bias or kicking up a fuss, because it's all completely fair, whether the infraction is given by someone who dislikes the member, or someone who loves the member

I think if we have a set system where the infraction points are clearer, and posting bans are longer we'd have a lot less infracted posts because people will be off the site for a lot longer

Again, i get why it's frustrating but threatening bans outright is unfair, I honestly just think one warning should be made in bold and if after that it doesn't end just infract every single post that carries it on, sooner or later (if they're banned) they'll get the message

I have to disagree with that, I think if a person is constantly doing the same thing and basically ignoring all the warnings and previous infractions for the same thing, you have to start upping their points or instantly banning (which we very rarely do btw)

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nooo I think you misunderstood that. Its more a case of...if you had 4/5 infractions for insulting people over the past week, then you insulted someone again, you would get more points as you are obviously ignoring warnings and stuff. Infractions from ages ago don't matter.

Oh ok

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have to disagree with that, I think if a person is constantly doing the same thing and basically ignoring all the warnings and previous infractions for the same thing, you have to start upping their points or instantly banning (which we very rarely do btw)

Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Oh ok


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

But surely that's a bit sneaky. Allowing people to calculate how much they can get away with.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But surely that's a bit sneaky. Allowing people to calculate how much they can get away with.

People won't cause half as much drama if they know they'll be banned soon

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Oh ok


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

My suggestion for a system a while back when this was discussed in admin was this (obviously it only works for things people do regularly...)

Say spamming. Once would get a warning, second time would be a straight ban. Third a longer ban, and so on. Slate gets wiped clean if it doesnt happen for a few months.

Same goes for insults, and all other regular rulebreaks

I think that was deemed unworkable though.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

My suggestion for a system a while back when this was discussed in admin was this (obviously it only works for things people do regularly...)

Say spamming. Once would get a warning, second time would be a straight ban. Third a longer ban, and so on. Slate gets wiped clean if it doesnt happen for a few months.

Same goes for insults, and all other regular rulebreaks

I think that was deemed unworkable though.

There'd be like 4 members posting if that was the case

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Oh ok


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

Yes, I do understood what you're saying, longer bans may be something to think about but I mean you can see by this thread alone what we're dealing with People are never going to be happy no matter what we do.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes, I do understood what you're saying, longer bans may be something to think about but I mean you can see by this thread alone what we're dealing with People are never going to be happy no matter what we do.

Yeah, and with the new infraction system he would have had one warning and after that one infraction per post afterwards for carrying on the drama, he'd probably in ban land right now instead of persistently derailing the thread





a change is needed

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Oh ok


Well i think the best thing to do is to increase the ban time, people aren't too bothered about being banned if it's only for a day, increase it to a week/two/ 30 days and they'll definitely tone it down

If you have a set system people will learn to follow the rules, If someones had a few infractions recently and they're not entirely sure how many points they are away from a ban, sometimes you can just get wound up enough and snap at members, leading to a higher point infraction and thus to a ban, which they wouldn't necessarily have got if they'd have known how many points they were going to get

(am i making sense i honestly just feel like I'm rambling SEE THIS IS WHAT I MEANT IN THE LOUNGE LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAID I WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PUT MY POINT ACROSS)

Hmm I don't know if I'm understanding you right but ban times do increase, they increase as the points increase if you get what I mean?

People knew how much they could push it when they knew how much points they had and then stopped to save themselves from a ban.

There is no way at all we can have a set amount of points for every single rule break, that would definitely be unfair as serial rule breakers would be getting the same punishments as people that barely break the rules.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Hmm I don't know if I'm understanding you right but ban times do increase, they increase as the points increase if you get what I mean?

People knew how much they could push it when they knew how much points they had and then stopped to save themselves from a ban.

There is no way at all we can have a set amount of points for every single rule break, that would definitely be unfair as serial rule breakers would be getting the same punishments as people that barely break the rules.

No, what i mean is, the current (first) ban time is one day, (which is when you get 9 points iirc?) anyway i think that should be drastically increased, maybe to a week or longer, that way people will tone down the behaviour because they know they're going to get banned for a lot longer than a day, i know when i get banned idgaf, I'm at work 10 hours a day, sleep 8 hours a day, so theres only really a 3/4 hour window where i can't post

So your first ban would be a week @ 9 points
2 weeks @ 15 points
30 days @ 20 points

etc etc

and re; it not being fair to people who don't break the rules, if they're not breaking the rules often, it's likely their infractions will expire before they get infracted again to take them to a ban, whereas people who do it a lot, would be banned for a lot longer for doing the same thing over and over