[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How was that a vote, he couldn't vote to keep someone they had to vote one out.

I said that he kind of voted. Some of your comments say "Joel said he wasn't going to vote at all" etc. but to basically veto one person is sort of a vote for the other two. He didn't stay completely out of it like your comments suggest.

[Beetlejuice]

Joel knew full well that a vote was going to take place. He just wanted to be seen abstaining. I can't believe how naive some of you are to what he did.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Joel knew full well that a vote was going to take place. He just wanted to be seen abstaining. I can't believe how naive some of you are to what he did.

He only said what he was thinking. You're reading too much into it.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Withano

He only said what he was thinking. You're reading too much into it.

Nope. Everything about the way he went about doing that said "Look at me taking my principled stance... Celebrate me, vote for me!"

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Nope. Everything about the way he went about doing that said "Look at me taking my principled stance... Celebrate me, vote for me!"

Nah i disagree, there was no way he calculated all of that in the split second. He just said what he was thinking out loud, it isn't uncommon in or outside of the show (for politicians and non-politicians)

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Joel knew full well that a vote was going to take place. He just wanted to be seen abstaining. I can't believe how naive some of you are to what he did.

And?

Your man Jack was after taking dosh. He shifts from side to side more than MC Hammer when making his choice. Cowardly big man. Shady.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Lampfan

And?

Your man Jack was after taking dosh. He shifts from side to side more than MC Hammer when making his choice. Cowardly big man. Shady.

Jack is totally honest. Sometimes he doesn't know what to do, and he stresses over it.

Everything Joel does is calculated. EVERYTHING. And what you saw tonight was him desperately trying to be seen in a certain way by the audience to help his cause.

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Jack is totally honest. Sometimes he doesn't know what to do, and he stresses over it.

Everything Joel does is calculated. EVERYTHING. And what you saw tonight was him desperately trying to be seen in a certain way by the audience to help his cause.

Yes, and stressing it too much speaks volumes. Coward. His shifting eyes speak volumes.

Joel is smart. Yes he asks too many questions and thinks he's smarter than them but he is. It's not hard to be smarter than that lot. I'm coming around to Jack btw, don't hate him. The way his supposed BFF, Chloe has treated him since she thought he was unpopular is horrible. Dropped him like a bad habit.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Lampfan

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Joel is smart. Yes he asks too many questions and thinks he's smarter than them but he is

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

The viewers aren't smart because the majority do not think the same way as you do. Oh okay.

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

No, they've found the new weak one of the pack. Always happens. This one can stand his own ground. I admire that.

[vafunghoul]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

They are all insecure and feel threatened by him.
Huge difference.

The James Bond wannabe Danny couldn't even spell CANOE for god's sakes.
These are complete buffoons. They're all so stupid they could get locked in a pantry and starve to death.

[REDCROP]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He's not smart, because they're all on to him. It's a shame the viewers aren't.

They were onto Marc too but they never got the last word , any of them..he controlled the lot of them and now Joel is doing the same...only other one as sharp is Nick...thats why they get along so well....the others are idiots apart from Christian

Danny, Chloe and Jack are really stupid....Dumb. Dumber and ( Erm, i dunno, i dunno, am i stupid ? i dunno.., can you learn me to be more cleverer like what you all am ? ) Danny

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I said that he kind of voted. Some of your comments say "Joel said he wasn't going to vote at all" etc. but to basically veto one person is sort of a vote for the other two. He didn't stay completely out of it like your comments suggest.

I ask again, how was that a vote it was an opinion not a vote, no one was asked who they wanted to save, they were told to vote one out and he refused to do so.

You know it was you who challenged me on my original comments as to Joel,not vice versa.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I ask again, how was that a vote it was an opinion not a vote, no one was asked who they wanted to save, they were told to vote one out and he refused to do so.

You know it was you who challenged me on my original comments as to Joel,not vice versa.

Whether it's a vote or an opinion, it still contributed to the outcome, which is why I think to say "Joel wasn't voting at all" isn't quite correct. If you want no part in the outcome, why give any opinion?

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by your second comment.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Whether it's a vote or an opinion, it still contributed to the outcome, which is why I think to say "Joel wasn't voting at all" isn't quite correct. If you want no part in the outcome, why give any opinion?

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by your second comment.

It didn't though.because he didn't vote and therefore made no contribution other than to say he hoped Chloe would stay.
He spoke first,he had no idea how all of them may have voted when a vote was actually done,

His decision to not vote at all, was his opinion of how wrong the twist was,still not a vote just an opinion.
Clearly he likes Chloe,however he couldn't vote to save her, he had to vote to evict someone.
That is the whole point, he said he would not and did not vote.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It didn't though.because he didn't vote and therefore made no contribution other than to say he hoped Chloe would stay.
He spoke first,he had no idea how all of them may have voted when a vote was actually done,

His decision to not vote at all, was his opinion of how wrong the twist was,still not a vote just an opinion.
Clearly he likes Chloe,however he couldn't vote to save her, he had to vote to evict someone.
That is the whole point, he said he would not and did not vote.

Ok. The way I see it is to say "I'm completely abstaining... but we shouldn't evict Chloe" is not completely abstaining, it affects the outcome even if it is not a vote for someone. You clearly see it differently

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Ok. The way I see it is to say "I'm completely abstaining... but we shouldn't evict Chloe" is not completely abstaining, it affects the outcome even if it is not a vote for someone. You clearly see it differently

Yes I do,strongly so.
The only person who really affected the outcome of this eviction was not in anyway Joel but Danny who made his pitch for Jack and Chloe and throwing Sam to the dogs.

I just wish 2 things could have happened.
1) that the housemates joined Joel and refused to 'vote to evict' any of the 3 eligible to go in this unnecessary and shocking twist.
or
2) that Chloe had got the £15,000 to then see what Danny would have set out to influence then.

[Trasadkel1]

Anyone who thought that Joel abstained from the vote for any other reason than to make himself look good must be deluded. Joel knew exactly what he was doing. The only reason it worked was because Danny was so keen to get the £15,000 added to the prize fund, he did he usual stance of taking over and put his vote in for Sam to be evicted. It would have been far more interesting if they had all stuck together to see what BB would have done.

If they had started counting down the prize fund would Joel have been so keen to stick to his decision.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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Yes I do,strongly so.
The only person who really affected the outcome of this eviction was not in anyway Joel but Danny who made his pitch for Jack and Chloe and throwing Sam to the dogs.

The people who affected the outcome were the production team who knew full well what they were doing. The housemates have signed up to a show where they have a choice... Either protest against the rules the production team come up with or go along with them. Danny chose the latter and Joel, rather than protest against the production team, chose to smear his fellow housemates.

I just wish 2 things could have happened.
1) that the housemates joined Joel and refused to 'vote to evict' any of the 3 eligible to go in this unnecessary and shocking twist.
or
2) that Chloe had got the £15,000 to then see what Danny would have set out to influence then.

What I would have liked to seen happen is Joel show that he really is principled by taking his complaint to Big Brother/Producers and walking out in disgust. Will he do that? No. Because what he's engaged in is little more than political point scoring as a vote to win has opened.