[bots]

I think people are missing the point though, illegal immigrants do get work, they do get benefits, and that's why they are here. We can continue to say, oh poor souls, let them in, its not their fault, or we can tighten up on employers, benefit agencies and our borders. These people are attempting to enter the country ILLEGALLY. It shouldn't be allowed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think people are missing the point though, illegal immigrants do get work, they do get benefits, and that's why they are here. We can continue to say, oh poor souls, let them in, its not their fault, or we can tighten up on employers, benefit agencies and our borders. These people are attempting to enter the country ILLEGALLY. It shouldn't be allowed.

Is it clear what point you're making? You say they do get benefits, the point is to get benefits you must have been processed and have the relevant paperwork and an address.
I appreciate they are not coming her via the correct channels, to simply slap a label of criminal on each and every one is a very blinkered view.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is it clear what point you're making? You say they do get benefits, the point is to get benefits you must have been processed and have the relevant paperwork and an address.
I appreciate they are not coming her via the correct channels, to simply slap a label of criminal on each and every one is a very blinkered view.

Sadly,this is the view I am finding more and more, I stand disillusioned looking at people I am talking to about this.

You are right as to the benefits,the govt can and should be doing more to address that issue, they have talked about it for years but still it is possible to claim,claim being the word, as you point out to get any benefits you fist have to 'claim' them.

Again, it is the migrants fault that they can claim them and not the systems.
So they become the really bad guys warranting being treated like dangerous animals.
Then the employers,they are the ones making the jobs available, avoiding declaring the due tax and national insurance contributions that should be made when employing someone.
Yet the immigrants taking the jobs are seen as the villains.
Jobs that would not be offered to home citizens since that could be harder to get away with,needing more pay for starters, and so this is a way of very cheap labour for bad employers and bad businesses.

I think the way this is being handles is a disgrace and as Germany has pointed out, they take far more migrants than the UK does.
We are turning into a selfish, whining nation that unless we wake up to how unjust this is, the UK standing in the World will plummet even further, and deservedly so in my view.
I am actually ashamed at this time of my own Country.

Anyway, Now I am off to court today now, to help some sick and disabled people fight for their cruelly and wrongfully removed benefits being taken from them under this shower of a govt.
Injustice is not sadly just with the immigrants worldwide but also against those in the UK too, who are genuinely sick and in great need to.

That however is another issue for elsewhere but just even more shame to add to the UKs standing in the World and how it treats people in dire need.
Whether it be home sickness benefits or fleeing persecution from poverty and danger in other Countries, where these migrants are trying to flee from.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is it clear what point you're making? You say they do get benefits, the point is to get benefits you must have been processed and have the relevant paperwork and an address.
I appreciate they are not coming her via the correct channels, to simply slap a label of criminal on each and every one is a very blinkered view.

they do it with false documents, by lying, by whatever means gets them the cash. Do you honestly believe they enter the UK illegally and then become model citizens that don't break the law. I really do wonder at the naivety shown over these issues

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they do it with false documents, by lying, by whatever means gets them the cash. Do you honestly believe they enter the UK illegally and then become model citizens that don't break the law. I really do wonder at the naivety shown over these issues

I'm not sure why you keep attempting to patronise me with your accusations of naivety.
If every illegal immigrant has access to forged paperwork then why are there 13 immigration removal centres, surely they all have the correct documentation waiting for them so they can claim benefits?

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think people are missing the point though, illegal immigrants do get work, they do get benefits, and that's why they are here. We can continue to say, oh poor souls, let them in, its not their fault, or we can tighten up on employers, benefit agencies and our borders. These people are attempting to enter the country ILLEGALLY. It shouldn't be allowed.

Yes Illegal Work