[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hardly the voice of compassion though is it?

To some people there would never be a point they would assist, because they are never rich enough, never have enough spare housing etc etc etc.

When people are in dire need of assistance, as human beings, we offer assistance. Is that not the CHRISTIAN thing to do? We don't simply walk by someone ill in the street and give them a kick as we go. We call for assistance.

There is nothing i detest more than double standards. We are either a Christian country that will always come to the aid of those who TRULY need it or we are not. This is not related to our own wealth standards as those we are assisting are in a much much worse position than ourselves.

Brilliantly put,really well said.
You and I don't see eye to eye on much but that is an excellent statement.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hardly the voice of compassion though is it?

To some people there would never be a point they would assist, because they are never rich enough, never have enough spare housing etc etc etc.

When people are in dire need of assistance, as human beings, we offer assistance. Is that not the CHRISTIAN thing to do? We don't simply walk by someone ill in the street and give them a kick as we go. We call for assistance.

There is nothing i detest more than double standards. We are either a Christian country that will always come to the aid of those who TRULY need it or we are not. This is not related to our own wealth standards as those we are assisting are in a much much worse position than ourselves.

It's only a Christian country when it suits bitontheslide,according to some people ,God doesn't even exist,only at times of strife(as this is) Christmas,Easter etc,any other time he is a figment of our imagination

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hardly the voice of compassion though is it?

To some people there would never be a point they would assist, because they are never rich enough, never have enough spare housing etc etc etc.

When people are in dire need of assistance, as human beings, we offer assistance. Is that not the CHRISTIAN thing to do? We don't simply walk by someone ill in the street and give them a kick as we go. We call for assistance.

There is nothing i detest more than double standards. We are either a Christian country that will always come to the aid of those who TRULY need it or we are not. This is not related to our own wealth standards as those we are assisting are in a much much worse position than ourselves.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's only a Christian country when it suits bitontheslide,according to some people ,God doesn't even exist,only at times of strife(as this is) Christmas,Easter etc,any other time he is a figment of our imagination

As someone who doesn't believe in God, what I took from bitontheslides post was that we westerners are supposed to have "Christian Values" which are supposedly far superior to everything else yet some of the attitudes from so called Christians don't seem very Christian at all

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As someone who doesn't believe in God, what I took from bitontheslides post was that we westerners are supposed to have "Christian Values" which are supposedly far superior to everything else yet some of the attitudes from so called Christians don't seem very Christian at all

I would help anyone in need Niamh as I am sure most of us would whether we believe or not,what I do understand is some of the views on here, we can only do so much,what do people want us to do exactly?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I would help anyone in need Niamh as I am sure most of us would whether we believe or not,what I do understand is some of the views on here, we can only do so much,what do people want us to do exactly?

Well, not refer to them as cockroaches that need to be blown out of the water instead of rescued would be a good start anyway :/ (yes I know you didn't say that)

[lostalex]

katie hopkins is playing devil's advocate on the most Base level. i think she feels she is justified because she is saying what most people on TV won't say, but what most people think immediately. She is providing snap judgements, and anyone who won't admit that what she says is usually the same snap judgement you have sometimes, is a liar.

She is exposing the automatic prejudice that we all feel.

She is also, by vocalizing those snap judgements, allowing us to have conversations about the issues without censorship.

I don't believe Katie Hopkins is as base and simple as her opinions often seem, i think she knows full well that they are primitive, simple opinions, and she is just giving voice to them. she is literally playing devil's advocate.

She enjoys the debate, i don't think she honestly believes half the things she said on second thought. she's just making a career from speaking outloud the prejudices that we all have.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I would help anyone in need Niamh as I am sure most of us would whether we believe or not,what I do understand is some of the views on here, we can only do so much,what do people want us to do exactly?

I'm not religious at all Kaz, but our leaders are quick enough to use the Christian banner to dictate to other countries how they should behave. We have also intervened and placed sanctions on countries under the very same banner of righteousness.

Its double standards to me, if we walk away when a country or its people needs assistance. This doesn't mean we have to shoulder all the responsibility for caring for them, but we could be pro active in finding global solutions, in the same way that we do when a country pisses us off

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Seriously now Kizzy - and non-confrontationally - Why don't our Government just liaise with all the countries from which these 'refugees/illegal immigrants/asylum seekers 'flee from' and spend a few more billions of pounds WE HAVEN'T GOT, and use all our Royal Navy ships to just GO and pick up all these poor unfortunates?

Then we can bring THEM ALL HERE and accommodate all these millions in houses WE HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few hundred millions of pounds per week from the Benefits Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, and drain another few millions of pounds per week from the Social Services Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few millions of pounds per week from the Police Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, drain another few millions of pounds per week from the NHS Budget we HAVEN'T GOT, the Schools budget we HAVEN'T GOT, etc. etc. etc.

Or perhaps these poor unfortunates will actually INCREASE the National Coffers by paying taxes after MIRACULOUSLY all finding jobs WE HAVEN'T GOT.

I despair.

I see nothing proactive in your post, our government has now pledged support due to our part in the destabalisation of their part of the world and are finally working on a solution rather than refusing to acknowledge the enormity of the problem.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

katie hopkins is playing devil's advocate on the most Base level. i think she feels she is justified because she is saying what most people on TV won't say, but what most people think immediately. She is providing snap judgements, and anyone who won't admit that what she says is usually the same snap judgement you have sometimes, is a liar.

She is exposing the automatic prejudice that we all feel.

She is also, by vocalizing those snap judgements, allowing us to have conversations about the issues without censorship.

I don't believe Katie Hopkins is as base and simple as her opinions often seem, i think she knows full well that they are primitive, simple opinions, and she is just giving voice to them. she is literally playing devil's advocate.

She enjoys the debate, i don't think she honestly believes half the things she said on second thought. she's just making a career from speaking outloud the prejudices that we all have.

That is my impression of KH too, I really think she likes to shock and get people talking and debating and boy she sure does that,I think sometimes her comments are taken too literally ,is she really a she devil? I doubt it very much.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hardly the voice of compassion though is it?

To some people there would never be a point they would assist, because they are never rich enough, never have enough spare housing etc etc etc.

When people are in dire need of assistance, as human beings, we offer assistance. Is that not the CHRISTIAN thing to do? We don't simply walk by someone ill in the street and give them a kick as we go. We call for assistance.

There is nothing i detest more than double standards. We are either a Christian country that will always come to the aid of those who TRULY need it or we are not. This is not related to our own wealth standards as those we are assisting are in a much much worse position than ourselves.

Maybe like leaves on a track these are the wrong kind of Christians, or as the paranoia grows it's not Christians at all it's ISIS masquerading as refugees though?
I entirely agree with the sentiments though, there is a really strange disparity in the attitudes on this issue as there is a distinct reversal in the perceived mindset I feel.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm not religious at all Kaz, but our leaders are quick enough to use the Christian banner to dictate to other countries how they should behave. We have also intervened and placed sanctions on countries under the very same banner of righteousness.

Its double standards to me, if we walk away when a country or its people needs assistance. This doesn't mean we have to shoulder all the responsibility for caring for them, but we could be pro active in finding global solutions, in the same way that we do when a country pisses us off

I understand that bitontheslide,I do think we will help if we can,but I do think people should be vetted first.On the news earlier some of these people have been in contact with Ebola ,so for that reason alone we need to be careful.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, not refer to them as cockroaches that need to be blown out of the water instead of rescued would be a good start anyway :/ (yes I know you didn't say that)

I do have to say, this and your earlier post are totally spot on.

In my opinion,Christian and indeed just even any kind of caring values should not just be brought into play when it suits, or is convenient for those who claim to care.
They should be brought into play whenever,wherever and for whoever the need is there for such compassion,caring and help.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Hardly the voice of compassion though is it?

To some people there would never be a point they would assist, because they are never rich enough, never have enough spare housing etc etc etc.

When people are in dire need of assistance, as human beings, we offer assistance. Is that not the CHRISTIAN thing to do? We don't simply walk by someone ill in the street and give them a kick as we go. We call for assistance.

There is nothing i detest more than double standards. We are either a Christian country that will always come to the aid of those who TRULY need it or we are not. This is not related to our own wealth standards as those we are assisting are in a much much worse position than ourselves.

According to most people on this forum - The UK is NOT a MAJORITY Christian country any more as a look back at various threads will attest.

As for 'Double Standards' that is not applicable to my post.

No one is advocating NOT helping ANY human beings who are in need of help, only that we have to be REALISTIC and NOT GO OUT SCOURING THE SEVEN SEAS AT OUR EXPENSE to LOOK for any unfortunates who might need help - especially when THEY SHOULD NOT BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

90% of the world's population is "in a worse position than ourselves" - Do we extend aid to them all - actual physical or financial?

Why aren't we going into Africa and certain other parts of the world and searching out ALL the millions of starving, ill, and dying little children so that we can save them? We KNOW that they are there - that they EXIST.

Why aren't we AIRLIFTING them and their families into the UK and making room for them here?

What is the difference? WHO decides who to save and who not to?

This is THE TRUE DOUBLE STANDARDS in WESTERN SOCIETY.

Britain is no longer an Empire and we are a 'Kingdom' not so 'United', and one fraught with increasing and overwhelming problems of our own - some critical - and we just have neither the MONEY nor RESOURCES to solve our own problems let alone the world's.

Charity and Mercy are noble qualities and of course aid should be given where human disasters strike, but the harsh reality is that nature is often cruel and mankind even crueller, and we cannot always afford to do what we would like to do.

The blind spot with certain people in this country is that it is one thing to think and care and provide for other people - BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF YOUR OWN.

A lot of our own citizens are using foodbanks, sleeping rough, suffering through a lack of medical resources and hospital beds. A great number of our children are struggling by on a pittance of benefits - barely existing - at the very time in their lives when they should be buying new clothes, going out at weekends, taking driving lessons, having holidays etc - because there are no jobs for them. Many old people who have worked hard all their lives and contributed to this country are dying of malnutrition and hypothermia.

A policy of seeing to others whilst neglecting your own is one surefire way to create in our own citizens the very racism which the 'P.C. bleeding hearts responsible for such a policy are 'bending over backwards' to be seen to avoid.

I'm sorry if this post renders me even more unpopular than I have already become, but it is the TRUTH as I know it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

According to most people on this forum - The UK is NOT a MAJORITY Christian country any more as a look back at various threads will attest.

As for 'Double Standards' that is not applicable to my post.

No one is advocating NOT helping ANY human beings who are in need of help, only that we have to be REALISTIC and NOT GO OUT SCOURING THE SEVEN SEAS AT OUR EXPENSE to LOOK for any unfortunates who might need help - especially when THEY SHOULD NOT BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

90% of the world's population is "in a worse position than ourselves" - Do we extend aid to them all - actual physical or financial?

Why aren't we going into Africa and certain other parts of the world and searching out ALL the millions of starving, ill, and dying little children so that we can save them? We KNOW that they are there - that they EXIST.

Why aren't we AIRLIFTING them and their families into the UK and making room for them here?

What is the difference? WHO decides who to save and who not to?

This is THE TRUE DOUBLE STANDARDS in WESTERN SOCIETY.

Britain is no longer an Empire and we are a 'Kingdom' not so 'United', and one fraught with increasing and overwhelming problems of our own - some critical - and we just have neither the MONEY nor RESOURCES to solve our own problems let alone the world's.

Charity and Mercy are noble qualities and of course aid should be given where human disasters strike, but the harsh reality is that nature is often cruel and mankind even crueller, and we cannot always afford to do what we would like to do.

The blind spot with certain people in this country is that it is one thing to think and care and provide for other people - BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF YOUR OWN.

A lot of our own citizens are using foodbanks, sleeping rough, suffering through a lack of medical resources and hospital beds. A great number of our children are struggling by on a pittance of benefits - barely existing - at the very time in their lives when they should be buying new clothes, going out at weekends, taking driving lessons, having holidays etc - because there are no jobs for them. Many old people who have worked hard all their lives and contributed to this country are dying of malnutrition and hypothermia.

A policy of seeing to others whilst neglecting your own is one surefire way to create in our own citizens the very racism which the 'P.C. bleeding hearts responsible for such a policy are 'bending over backwards' to be seen to avoid.

I'm sorry if this post renders me even more unpopular than I have already become, but it is the TRUTH as I know it.

I disagree, there were comments that expressed just that opinion.
If we interfere with the infrastructure of a country we must shoulder the responsibility to restore civility.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I would help anyone in need Niamh as I am sure most of us would whether we believe or not,what I do understand is some of the views on here, we can only do so much,what do people want us to do exactly?

I applaud ALL the points which you make in your posts on here Kaz.

[MTVN]

How do you solve a problem like Eritrea

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How do you solve a problem like Eritrea

They have to solve their own problems

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I applaud ALL the points which you make in your posts on here Kaz.

I'm glad someone does Kirk,lol,people seem to think that some of us don't care about what's going on,well of course we do,but how do we solve it when we have so much to deal with ourselves ?

[Niamh.]

Reopening this, lets try to stick to the subject at hand this time and not eachother so it doesn't get closed again

[arista]

[“Rescue boats? I’d use gunships to stop migrants”. That was The Sun's headline, written apparently without concern.]

yes Kizzy but Katie loves you for making this thread
I mean she now has a Adult Topic and Comedy show on TLC HD

[Kizzy]

David Miliband, the former UK foreign secretary, has expressed “double shock” at the humanitarian crisis on Lesbos, now the entry point of more than half of Europe’s total intake of refugees.
Miliband, who heads up the International Rescue Committee – an aid agency that helps resettle refugees – told the Guardian it was appalling it had taken such numbers to jolt Europe into action.
“What we can say is that Europe’s response has been wholly inadequate,” he said on his second day of a visit to Lesbos. “Greece and Italy have been screaming about this problem for over a year. Europe’s eye has been on different things. There has been appalling neglect. It has taken the scale of this problem to jolt Europe into taking the appropriate levels of response.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-lesbos-visit

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

David Miliband, the former UK foreign secretary, has expressed “double shock” at the humanitarian crisis on Lesbos, now the entry point of more than half of Europe’s total intake of refugees.
Miliband, who heads up the International Rescue Committee – an aid agency that helps resettle refugees – told the Guardian it was appalling it had taken such numbers to jolt Europe into action.
“What we can say is that Europe’s response has been wholly inadequate,” he said on his second day of a visit to Lesbos. “Greece and Italy have been screaming about this problem for over a year. Europe’s eye has been on different things. There has been appalling neglect. It has taken the scale of this problem to jolt Europe into taking the appropriate levels of response.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-lesbos-visit

Yes I watched him on SkyNewsHD
its Tragic.


But we are taking our share from
the Outside of Syria UN bases
the PM is there today.
They are far worse off

[Kizzy]

Yes now but this has been happening for a very long time, our response has been due to pressure from our EU neighbours. I think this thread reflects the change in attitude in the media.

[Kazanne]

KH aside,I just fear for the day we are no longer a race,we will be goverened by Sharia law,the women will be supressed,it WILL happen somewhere down the line in this country once called England,I am all for helping people, but we shouldn't be blinded,by the media,a lot of people trying to get here are young men with an agenda. It's a very unstable world at the moment.