[Glenn.]

I don't know what just happened there

[Glenn.]

As far as I'm aware the only limitation adoption agency's have with same sex adoption is the limitation of the states laws. That's just America though. I don't know whether there is any info on UK

[Glenn.]

'Almost 40% of all agencies and 83% of public agencies reported making at least one adoption placement with a lesbian or gay man. However, one-third of agencies would reject a gay or lesbian applicant, either because of the religious beliefs guiding the agency, a state law prohibiting placement with LGBT parents, or a policy of placing children only with married couples. Additionally, agency heads are more likely to have negative views towards gays and lesbians adopting when they associate such adoptions with greater evaluation and support needs. As a gay friendly agency, we were appalled to hear such discrimination'

[AnnieK]

I don't think there is a more stringent process for same sex couples in the UK.

[Glenn.]

There's also this

An estimated two million LGBT people are interested in adopting.

An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number in the U.S.

Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents.

Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents.

There is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation, per se, impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation.

There is no conclusive evidence that homosexuality is linked to one's environment. In other words, growing up in a gay couple household will not "make" a child gay.

Most children in the United States do not live with two married parents. In fact, according to the 2000 census, only 24% of homes were composed of a married mother and father with children living at home.

Studies have shown that children are more influenced by their interactions with their parents, than by their sexual orientation.

States and regions which explicitly allow for adoption by same-sex couples include California, Connecticut, Washington D.C., Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Vermont.
In states allowing gay individuals to adopt, Colorado, Ohio, Nebraska and Wisconsin have laws preventing second-parent adoptions.

[Dash Darington]

Pleasantly surprised by some of the reaction here. The propaganda tactics have been ramped up this time around.

Emma's behaviour is exactly what the producers wanted her to do. She would never shout down a guest unless she was coached to do that. Her job is to act as the producers' mouthpiece, after all. If the point of this is lost on anyone, the goal is to publicly degrade anyone who expresses views that the propagandists deem forbidden. The message to the audience is that if you express similar views, you can expect to be degraded or harmed. What you're watching is psy-ops designed to suppress dissent. It's about controlling the public, not Winston as an individual.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think there is a more stringent process for same sex couples in the UK.

someone said there was or that they get treated differently.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Quasar

There's also this

An estimated two million LGBT people are interested in adopting.

An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number in the U.S.

Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have gay or lesbian parents.

Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents.

There is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation, per se, impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation.

There is no conclusive evidence that homosexuality is linked to one's environment. In other words, growing up in a gay couple household will not "make" a child gay.

Most children in the United States do not live with two married parents. In fact, according to the 2000 census, only 24% of homes were composed of a married mother and father with children living at home.

Studies have shown that children are more influenced by their interactions with their parents, than by their sexual orientation.

States and regions which explicitly allow for adoption by same-sex couples include California, Connecticut, Washington D.C., Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Vermont.
In states allowing gay individuals to adopt, Colorado, Ohio, Nebraska and Wisconsin have laws preventing second-parent adoptions.

ukinfo please

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

ukinfo please

Just use google

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

why do gay couples go through more stringent testing for adoption than straight couples?

Why do you think they do? The adoption process is stringent for all couples. If one group of potential adoptive parents are treated differently simply because of their sexual orientation that would be against the Sexual Orientation Regulations 2007. Although Catholic adoption agencies have been exempt from the Sexual Orientation Regulations since 2010.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why do you think they do? The adoption process is stringent for all couples. If one group of potential adoptive parents are treated differently simply because of their sexual orientation that would be against the Sexual Orientation Regulations 2007. Although Catholic adoption agencies have been exempt from the Sexual Orientation Regulations since 2010.

http://www.pinkparents.org.uk/same-s...in-the-uk.html

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

http://www.pinkparents.org.uk/same-s...in-the-uk.html

The operative part of that page for me is this: "Several factors will be considered before you will be considered as a potential adopter besides the above mentioned requirements [you must be 21+, a UK resident and have no convictions] including your age, health, financial situation, religion, ethnic background, children in your family, etc.. If you are in a relationship, you can apply for adoption as a single parent but you may also apply together with your partner for joint legal parenting."

The suggestion that "many gay and lesbian singles and couples who would like to adopt a child in the UK report that they are not treated the same as heterosexual applicants" is hearsay unless we know who they are. Anecdotal evidence is worthless. If people are being treated differently on the grounds of their sexual orientation I'm shocked there isn't a queue of lawyers jostling each other to take a case which is so clear cut.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The operative part of that page for me is this: "Several factors will be considered before you will be considered as a potential adopter besides the above mentioned requirements [you must be 21+, a UK resident and have no convictions] including your age, health, financial situation, religion, ethnic background, children in your family, etc.. If you are in a relationship, you can apply for adoption as a single parent but you may also apply together with your partner for joint legal parenting."

The suggestion that "many gay and lesbian singles and couples who would like to adopt a child in the UK report that they are not treated the same as heterosexual applicants" is hearsay unless we know who they are. Anecdotal evidence is worthless. If people are being treated differently on the grounds of their sexual orientation I'm shocked there isn't a queue of lawyers jostling each other to take a case which is so clear cut.

You would think so but i found a daily mail artical about two blokes who were refused on three occasions because their house was to small( a three bed semi),not enough toys in the house and because they didnt know enough about other minority cultures..pretty weird.

[Edna Mode]

Why isn't it okay to hold resentment for Winston for being such a bigot?

His views were horrid and offensive. There were two gay people in the house.


The thing is, expressing a view about gay people and stating that it's "just your opinion" is messed up in its own right because an opinion is something you should hold for a book you read or a restaurant you went to, not a subset of the population.
That takes your "opinion" and molds it into a judgement.
Everyone's entitled to their own "opinions," but that doesn't mean that "opinion" has to be respected, especially when it's ignorant and hateful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

how many gay folk adopt anyway it must be the tiniest figure ever?

talk about fighting the wrong battles winston

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You would think so but i found a daily mail artical about two blokes who were refused on three occasions because their house was to small( a three bed semi),not enough toys in the house and because they didnt know enough about other minority cultures..pretty weird.

An article in the Daily Mail gives only their side of the story. They should have maybe spoken to a lawyer first. The fact is that lots of straight couples get turned down for all kinds of reasons.

[chuff me dizzy]

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Livia

An article in the Daily Mail gives only their side of the story. They should have maybe spoken to a lawyer first. The fact is that lots of straight couples get turned down for all kinds of reasons.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Edna Mode

Why isn't it okay to hold resentment for Winston for being such a bigot?

His views were horrid and offensive. There were two gay people in the house.


The thing is, expressing a view about gay people and stating that it's "just your opinion" is messed up in its own right because an opinion is something you should hold for a book you read or a restaurant you went to, not a subset of the population.
That takes your "opinion" and molds it into a judgement.
Everyone's entitled to their own "opinions," but that doesn't mean that "opinion" has to be respected, especially when it's ignorant and hateful.

Edna you are a star

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Pleasantly surprised by some of the reaction here. The propaganda tactics have been ramped up this time around.

Emma's behaviour is exactly what the producers wanted her to do. She would never shout down a guest unless she was coached to do that. Her job is to act as the producers' mouthpiece, after all. If the point of this is lost on anyone, the goal is to publicly degrade anyone who expresses views that the propagandists deem forbidden. The message to the audience is that if you express similar views, you can expect to be degraded or harmed. What you're watching is psy-ops designed to suppress dissent. It's about controlling the public, not Winston as an individual.

Precisely this.


And we have noticed that this took place in Big Brother with a person called Winston, just like the character in the book 1984.

Their destruction of the family and traditional society is almost complete and the sheep are going into it like lambs to the slaughter.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Twist and turn it however you want. You know I'm right otherwise you wouldn't be dissecting and twisting everything I say to suit your agenda. All I know is that there are 20 million homophobic morons that need to love themselves and stop worrying they are going to catch gay.

Well that's me convinced.

The problem you have is that those 20 million people are thinking "All I know is there are 40 million leftist morons that want to destroy traditional values in the UK"

Neither is "right". It is an opinion.

What is really childish is getting angry and abusive just because someone dare disagree with you.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

why do gay couples go through more stringent testing for adoption than straight couples?

Because they are being horribly oppressed by those dreadful homophobic authorities?

[wendywillow]

is this thread still going on? y'all are never going to agree

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Well that's me convinced.

The problem you have is that those 20 million people are thinking "All I know is there are 40 million leftist morons that want to destroy traditional values in the UK"

Neither is "right". It is an opinion.

What is really childish is getting angry and abusive just because someone dare disagree with you.

You insult me by agreeing with homophobes. Well you insult me by being a homophobe by your own agreement of homophobic views. You insult me further by not accepting that the views Winston and yourself hold are disgusting and wrong.

By your own logic, the atrocities that Hitler bestowed on thousands of innocent Jews is right because it was his opinion that they needed to be eradicated.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Quasar

You insult me by agreeing with homophobes. Well you insult me by being a homophobe by your own agreement of homophobic views. You insult me further by not accepting that the views Winston and yourself hold are disgusting and wrong.

By your own logic, the atrocities that Hitler bestowed on thousands of innocent Jews is right because it was his opinion that they needed to be eradicated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law





Have a read back of your post. You are comparing an ex boxer claiming that gay adoption is wrong to a deranged dictator killing 6 million people.

Have a word with yourself fgs.