[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Why doesn't anyone who is not interested just not click and read threads on this topic?I often don't read every thread.

Im not sure if this applies to many others.. But I usually open threads that I'm not interested in incase the OP is thought provoking (dont judge a book by its cover etc) if I still have no interest in the topic, im still sometimes interested in peoples interpretations of the topic. Many are thought-provoking, many more are borderline-insane.

ive stayed away from this debate a bit because of how ridiculous the sources were. credible sources were reporting news, the source used in the OP was reporting their hate.
I therefore dont believe that many posts are reflective of the actual news story and instead only reflect one journalists spun web of hatred. Thats just not an interesting read really for me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Maru

x 1000

A lot of these pettier arguments can stop by simply not being reciprocal to baiting attacks. The ignore list is there for a reason if you find these posts triggering. I personally don't have the emotional collateral available to get involved in all the personal attacks lobbied in this section... so usually I wait until about page 4-5 when everyone has wore themselves down some to contribute ... also if people are leaving threads with these anxious thoughts constantly in their mind, about who is talking about who, who is writing about who, when the next attack will be... then that is a very good sign that one's focus on these matters has become unhealthy... and the ignore function is a good course of action if particular personality traits, verbiage or use of incendiary is a trigger for you.

I speak from vast experience on this topic.



Niamh, I have tried this... it's hard to get any real conversation going when SD appears limited to the same few people whose metal are better tested in other topics. The rest of the forum doesn't appear to be the longform poster type (though I still think they should participate as diverse views== better discussion imo) I'm also at a disadvantage because I'm out of country... so can't really bring any sort of local perspective to the table. My topics are limited to US affairs... often our politics that gets the most attention. Sad to say.


As far as debating... this section might be overly due then for a rename to serious discussions or something, because debate is a highly competitive verb... it's first priority is not to be a mutual discussion and having an open mind , though we should strive for it... it's literally about constructing the best arguments/rebuttals in arguments... at least that's how I sometimes treat it... because the word debate, implies a competitive theme. Which is a bit out of place compared to the rest of the forum which is more relaxed... actually.

Debate

noun
1. a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints:
a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
2. a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
3. deliberation; consideration.
4. Archaic. strife; contention. (Is this really archaic? )

Moreover, most arguments in the controversial topics are doomed to stalemate from the beginning because they based on emotional/moral grounds... that is, they are heavily influenced by one's personal or moral background, not something that can be torn apart in logic... something you can't separate from the personal either, so often leads to mutual bickering which leads to personal attacks and a stalemate, because convincing someone their moral barometer is broken is a lot harder (read: impossible) than just simply debating something matter of factly and having a discussion there... it's also easy to have an upper hand in the morality dept (superficially speaking) but often means those points go on forever and ever... and never leaves room for another interpretation or other POVs to be heard... some have not been willing to leave those moral arguments to a previous thread... they feel they need to make it a point thread to thread. I won't name names because I feel like we're all a little guilty of this.

That's not quite true, the naming of chat threads can get quite heated

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's not quite true, the naming of chat threads can get quite heated

Yeah also forgot when BB is on

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What exactly would James/Josy be sorting out? the threads are usually in the main reflections of what is dominating the news at any given time, anyone can post a thread as long as it is within the rules of the forum I don't see the issue. You don't have to read or react to every thread Kiz

The sheer number of the right wing propaganda threads, I don't respond to all of them ...doesn't mean they aren't there :/

They are rather subtle I'll give you that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Why doesn't anyone who is not interested just not click and read threads on this topic?I often don't read every thread.

I have no choice but to read them all what with the constant reports

Originally Posted by Maru

x 1000

A lot of these pettier arguments can stop by simply not being reciprocal to baiting attacks. The ignore list is there for a reason if you find these posts triggering. I personally don't have the emotional collateral available to get involved in all the personal attacks lobbied in this section... so usually I wait until about page 4-5 when everyone has wore themselves down some to contribute ... also if people are leaving threads with these anxious thoughts constantly in their mind, about who is talking about who, who is writing about who, when the next attack will be... then that is a very good sign that one's focus on these matters has become unhealthy... and the ignore function is a good course of action if particular personality traits, verbiage or use of incendiary is a trigger for you.

I speak from vast experience on this topic.



Niamh, I have tried this... it's hard to get any real conversation going when SD appears limited to the same few people whose metal are better tested in other topics. The rest of the forum doesn't appear to be the longform poster type (though I still think they should participate as diverse views== better discussion imo) I'm also at a disadvantage because I'm out of country... so can't really bring any sort of local perspective to the table. My topics are limited to US affairs... often our politics that gets the most attention. Sad to say.


As far as debating... this section might be overly due then for a rename to serious discussions or something, because debate is a highly competitive verb... it's first priority is not to be a mutual discussion and having an open mind , though we should strive for it... it's literally about constructing the best arguments/rebuttals in arguments... at least that's how I sometimes treat it... because the word debate, implies a competitive theme. Which is a bit out of place compared to the rest of the forum which is more relaxed... actually.

Debate

noun
1. a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints:
a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
2. a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.
3. deliberation; consideration.
4. Archaic. strife; contention. (Is this really archaic? )

Moreover, most arguments in the controversial topics are doomed to stalemate from the beginning because they based on emotional/moral grounds... that is, they are heavily influenced by one's personal or moral background, not something that can be torn apart in logic... something you can't separate from the personal either, so often leads to mutual bickering which leads to personal attacks and a stalemate, because convincing someone their moral barometer is broken is a lot harder (read: impossible) than just simply debating something matter of factly and having a discussion there... it's also easy to have an upper hand in the morality dept (superficially speaking) but often means those points go on forever and ever... and never leaves room for another interpretation or other POVs to be heard... some have not been willing to leave those moral arguments to a previous thread... they feel they need to make it a point thread to thread. I won't name names because I feel like we're all a little guilty of this.

Great post as per usual Maru, we're singing from the same hymn sheet. I would really like to get some of the posters who tend to stick to C&Gs perspective on things actually but I think they're afraid to set foot into the darkside

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The sheer number of the right wing propaganda threads, I don't respond to all of them ...doesn't mean they aren't there :/

They are rather subtle I'll give you that.

There have been far more Liberal Left dominated propaganda threads on here than 'Right Wing' ones, and Cherie may verify this for herself, but I do not think that she made any reference or even allusion to any Right Wing propaganda threads in her post - let alone 'subtle ones', so where that came from is a total mystery Kizzy.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have no choice but to read them all what with the constant reports

Oh yeahI didn't mean you.You're the boss.And a grand job you do too keeping us all in line
There must be some perks of the job though?Pension?Holiday pay?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The sheer number of the right wing propaganda threads, I don't respond to all of them ...doesn't mean they aren't there :/

They are rather subtle I'll give you that.

It doesn't really matter what leaning if any the thread has as long as it fits within forum rules, I'm not that interested in space travel but Monkey can post them if he must

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Oh yeahI didn't mean you.You're the boss.And a grand job you do too keeping us all in line
There must be some perks of the job though?Pension?Holiday pay?

She gets paid by her boss to moderate a BB forum, cushy Niamh, cushy

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It doesn't really matter what leaning if any the thread has as long as it fits within forum rules, I'm not that interested in space travel but Monkey can post them if he must

Well that's very nice of you.Thanks for your blessing
I'll post some more for you if you want?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Oh yeahI didn't mean you.You're the boss.And a grand job you do too keeping us all in line
There must be some perks of the job though?Pension?Holiday pay?

Company car and all

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well that's very nice of you.Thanks for your blessing
I'll post some more for you if you want?

I don't mind I'm picky about what I read

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Company car and all

You deserve it - In my opinion. And I ain't joking.

[lime]

I am so glad to see this is being discussed .I don't post much as I am not from the UK nor am I from the UK.

Debates are always heated by nature..but debating is not what is happening here.

As I am not from the Uk it has always being interesting for me to read opinions from either side of the debate.

Whilst tempers may have got flared at times...what is happening now is immature .

I have seen posts saying in SD that I have more friends on here than you ..therefore I am right,in other words my gang is bigger than your gang.

Other posts that stop debate from taking place are those that say if you agree with me you are intelligent ...heck I have even seen one where a FM applauded another for agreeing with with their post and told them they were too intelligent to be on TIBB...IMO implying if you didn't agree with them you are dumb.

The one thing that has irked me the most is I have seen very intelligent ,well spoken younger members who had been really willing to engage in debate and to accept views of others to be laughed at and told that they didn't know what they were talking about because they weren't alive at the time...those who done that went on to applaud their mates who didn't discuss anything but pot a Ytube vid.

Sorry mods (who IMO have the patients of saints)..I think there should be a main Thread for Trump ans another for Muslims/migrants

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lime

I am so glad to see this is being discussed .I don't post much as I am not from the UK nor am I from the UK.

Debates are always heated by nature..but debating is not what is happening here.

As I am not from the Uk it has always being interesting for me to read opinions from either side of the debate.

Whilst tempers may have got flared at times...what is happening now is immature .

I have seen posts saying in SD that I have more friends on here than you ..therefore I am right,in other words my gang is bigger than your gang.

Other posts that stop debate from taking place are those that say if you agree with me you are intelligent ...heck I have even seen one where a FM applauded another for agreeing with with their post and told them they were too intelligent to be on TIBB...IMO implying if you didn't agree with them you are dumb.

The one thing that has irked me the most is I have seen very intelligent ,well spoken younger members who had been really willing to engage in debate and to accept views of others to be laughed at and told that they didn't know what they were talking about because they weren't alive at the time...those who done that went on to applaud their mates who didn't discuss anything but pot a Ytube vid.

Sorry mods (who IMO have the patients of saints)..I think there should be a main Thread for Trump ans another for Muslims/migrants

Good to see you back Lime and thanks for your input. Am I right in thinking you live in Ireland but are South African? I always enjoy your posts and I hope we can sort this out so serious debates can be a good place to post again

[lime]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Good to see you back Lime and thanks for your input. Am I right in thinking you live in Ireland but are South African? I always enjoy your posts and I hope we can sort this out so serious debates can be a good place to post again

Thanks Niamh
yes you are right but I have given up my SA passport and now An Irish citizen since 2013 ...Love this country

Yeah I hope it gets sorted because I used to really enjoy reading the posts in here

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lime

Thanks Niamh
yes you are right but I have given up my SA passport and now An Irish citizen since 2013 ...Love this country

Yeah I hope it gets sorted because I used to really enjoy reading the posts in here

Oh congrats

and yeah me too, maybe when/if this Trump stuff dies down, eh?

[MTVN]

Sometime about 2020 then

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sometime about 2020 then

Or as Johnny Mathis puts it; "Until The 12th Of Never"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sometime about 2020 then

[Scarlett.]

In my opinion, news and serious debates need to be seperated again, the 'debates' on here are usually just about the news now, where as we used to have a much more varied set of topics. Serious debates and news are two completely different things, and mashing them together is messy.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Chewy

In my opinion, news and serious debates need to be seperated again, the 'debates' on here are usually just about the news now, where as we used to have a much more varied set of topics. Serious debates and news are two completely different things, and mashing them together is messy.

I agree with you Chewy. I think that might actually be better all round.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I remember when SD was all fields and we all debated in the morning and had tea and scones in the afternoon

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I remember when SD was all fields and we all debated in the morning and had tea and scones in the afternoon

Err not even sure who you are tbh, this section is more for established members. Maybe try Chat & Games?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I remember when SD was all fields and we all debated in the morning and had tea and scones in the afternoon

It's never been like that for me. Welcome back LT. I tried to pm you but could not.