[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Niamh but this is a serious issue and all our lives are affected by it and I don't see why we should all have to live in fear in order to preserve the rights of terrorists which is what it amounts to.

No one is trying to "preserve the rights of the terrorist" what are you actually on about?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But you want to go back through generations of immigrants and basically take away their citizenship. Also, why would the country they came from even agree to that. It makes no sense

Only a generation or two for those that commit terrorist acts and murder people. Many of these Terrorists spend half their time in these counties anyway so I really don't see what the problem is.

They are murderers and will always pose a risk. Surely the safety of the many over the rights of the few should prevail.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No one is trying to "preserve the rights of terrorist" what are you actually on about?

Their rights as British citizens not to be deported. What do you have against dual citizenship as a means of overcoming that issue for those that pose the biggest risk. I really don't get it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Their rights as British citizens not to be deported. What do you have against dual citizenship as a means of overcoming that issue for those that pose the biggest risk. I really don't get it.

OMG it's not their right not to be deported it's the country who they're not even a citizen ofs right not to just take a criminal off your hands, jesus how is that hard to understand. Britain isn't in charge of the world, they can't just tell other countries they have to take their criminals because the criminals granny came from there

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

OMG it's not their right not to be deported it's the country who they're not even a citizen ofs right not to just take a criminal off your hands, jesus how is that hard to understand. Britain isn't in charge of the world, they can't just tell other countries they have to take their criminals because the criminals granny came from there

Yes they can, we're Great ****ing Britain! We'll send the dirty immigrants wherever we like! And if they were born here, we'll send them to one of those weird Asian countries you see on the news! We're taking back control! Fish and chips for everyone so long as you're not a terrorist! Refugee scum! EU scum! Benefits scum! Rule ****in' Britannia!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes they can, we're Great ****ing Britain! We'll send the dirty immigrants wherever we like! And if they were born here, we'll send them to one of those weird Asian countries you on the news! We're taking back control! Fish and chips for everyone so long as you're not a terrorist! Refugee scum! EU scum! Benefits scum! Rule ****in' Britannia!

I think i need to bow out of this thread now for my own sake and sanity

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes they can, we're Great ****ing Britain! We'll send the dirty immigrants wherever we like! And if they were born here, we'll send them to one of those weird Asian countries you on the news! We're taking back control! Fish and chips for everyone so long as you're not a terrorist! Refugee scum! EU scum! Benefits scum! Rule ****in' Britannia!

Exaggeration and putting words in people's mouths as usual. What does that achieve - nothing.

If you want to live amongst known terrorists that is your choice but guess what most don't and we have to live here too. Your views don't just affect you but everyone else as well. So you know what you can do with your inflammatory allegations don't you!

Are there no ISIS terrorists in Britain then, are none of us at risk of harm - or is it all just a figment of my hateful imagination. Waste of time.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Exaggeration and putting words in people's mouths

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If you want to live amongst known terrorists

okay

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only a generation or two for those that commit terrorist acts and murder people. Many of these Terrorists spend half their time in these counties anyway so I really don't see what the problem is.

They are murderers and will always pose a risk. Surely the safety of the many over the rights of the few should prevail.

I don't know if you've noticed, Brillo, but there are actually people in those other countries too . Apparently you think it's "safer for the many" to deport them to another country and say "Oh well lol whatever they're not here now" than it is to keep them where we can actually keep an eye on them...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

okay

Are you trying to say we have no terrorists amongst us. You can 'okay' to hell and back but if you can't answer a straight question with a straight answer then your allegations are everything you are trying to accuse me of.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know if you've noticed, Brillo, but there are actually people in those other countries too . Apparently you think it's "safer for the many" to deport them to another country and say "Oh well lol whatever they're not here now" than it is to keep them where we can actually keep an eye on them...

A reasonable question at least. I see what you're saying but it's natural to think of you and yours and I have no delusions that those other countries would not do the same in the same situation. If we can do more to protect ourselves we should.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Are you trying to say we have no terrorists amongst us. You can 'okay' to hell and back but if you can't answer a straight question with a straight answer then your allegations are everything you are trying to accuse me of.

No, I was merely alluding to the fact you accused me of 'exaggeration' and 'putting words in people's mouths' and then in the next breath wrote 'if you want to live amongst known terrorists'. You couldn't have made a bigger jump.

[Tom4784]

Brillo going back to her 'if you don't agree with me you're basically a terrorist sympathiser' schtick when her silly suggestions about essentially bringing back exile (and taking the very North Korean approach of punishing multiple generations in the process) is shot down because it's not realistic, possible or even a good idea? I'm shocked.

People with a British passport or citizenship are our responsibility to bring to justice, the idea of desperately looking for an excuse to hand people over to other countries is laughable and wrong. The level of extremism from certain right wing members in this section is getting rather worrisome.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Brillo going back to her 'if you don't agree with me you're basically a terrorist sympathiser' schtick when her silly suggestions about essentially bringing back exile (and taking the very North Korean approach of punishing multiple generations in the process) is shot down because it's not realistic, possible or even a good idea? I'm shocked.

People with a British passport or citizenship are our responsibility to bring to justice, the idea of desperately looking for an excuse to hand people over to other countries is laughable and wrong. The level of extremism from certain right wing members in this section is getting rather worrisome.

My posts do not justify attempting to call me a right-ring extremist. That is ridiculous.

People have talked of the possibility of deportation of TERRORISTS (seems necessarry to highlight that word) for some time now including the government. I was suggesting a viable way that maybe that could be achieved. I know you will never agree with it that but don't you dare try to use this to call me a right-ring extremist.

And btw I never suggested you were a terrorist sympathiser, you took it that way to suit. So you think I have implied that so you get your revenge by calling me a right-wing extremist. I have never committed a terrorist attack in my life thank you - and you talk of boundaries.

And no need for the 'her' - if you want to make such comments then have the decency to address me personally rather than say 'Brillo, going back to her....'. Weak, putting it mildly.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

My posts do not justify attempting to call me a right-ring extremist. That is ridiculous.

People have talked of the possibility of deportation of TERRORISTS (seems necessarry to highlight that word) for some time now including the government. I was suggesting a viable way that maybe that could be achieved. I know you will never agree with it that but don't you dare try to use this to call me a right-ring extremist.

And btw I never suggested you were a terrorist sympathiser, you took it that way to suit. So you think I have implied that so you get your revenge by calling me a right-wing extremist. I have never committed a terrorist attack in my life thank you - and you talk of boundaries.

I wouldn't call you a right-wing extremist because you don't have the power to actually enact any of your bizarre fantasies. But I don't think it would be unfair to suggest that you are a... right-wing extremist sympathiser? You promote and express admiration of extreme right-wing measures, surely?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I wouldn't call you a right-wing extremist because you don't have the power to actually enact any of your bizarre fantasies. But I don't think it would be unfair to suggest that you are a... right-wing extremist sympathiser? You promote and express admiration of extreme right-wing measures, surely?

By deporting terrorists! In what other way have I demonstrated being a right-wing sympathiser?

You lean left I lean right - no extremism involved on either side, unless of course you have something substantial to substantiate such a bizarre comment.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

My posts do not justify attempting to call me a right-ring extremist. That is ridiculous.

People have talked of the possibility of deportation of TERRORISTS (seems necessarry to highlight that word) for some time now including the government. I was suggesting a viable way that maybe that could be achieved. I know you will never agree with it that but don't you dare try to use this to call me a right-ring extremist.

And btw I never suggested you were a terrorist sympathiser, you took it that way to suit. So you think I have implied that so you get your revenge by calling me a right-wing extremist. I have never committed a terrorist attack in my life thank you - and you talk of boundaries.

And no need for the 'her' - if you want to make such comments then have the decency to address me personally rather than say 'Brillo, going back to her....'. Weak, putting it mildly.

You are not a politician, mentioning the word 'terrorist' at every opportunity won't adhere people to your views, nor will suggesting that anyone who thinks differently has sympathy towards terrorism. Don't deny you've not insinuated that because you have.

Nothing you have suggested is viable, We can't force people out of the country and onto other countries because of a vague ancestral link. You only think it's viable because you don't understand international law.

Also because you seem quite confused on the matter, extremist does not always equal terrorist. Katie Hopkins is an extremist, Richard Spencer is an extremist, UKIP is half full of extremists, Trump is an extremist etc. None of them will commit acts of terror but they are still extreme in their views.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

By deporting terrorists! In what other way have I demonstrated being a right-wing sympathiser?

You lean left I lean right - no extremism involved on either side, unless of course you have something substantial to substantiate such a bizarre comment.

The concept of deporting 3rd generation immigrants to non-specific countries of "genetic and cultural origin" as a counter-terror measure. Supporting armed soldiers being on our streets. Advocating the removal or reducation of civil liberties in exchange for "keeping us safe". The idea that every Muslim immigrant is responsible for curbing the actions of extremists. None of these are just "right leaning", Brillo, at least have the courage of your convictions.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Exaggeration and putting words in people's mouths as usual. What does that achieve - nothing.

If you want to live amongst known terrorists that is your choice but guess what most don't and we have to live here too. Your views don't just affect you but everyone else as well. So you know what you can do with your inflammatory allegations don't you!

Are there no ISIS terrorists in Britain then, are none of us at risk of harm - or is it all just a figment of my hateful imagination. Waste of time.

Really don't know why you bother Brillo,it's no good having a different opinion on here.come and have a cuppa you gobby mare,LOL

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really don't know why you bother Brillo,it's no good having a different opinion on here.come and have a cuppa you gobby mare,LOL

i think its important that all avenues are explored so that everyone has a deeper understanding of how things work, and what we can do to resolve the situation. Its not like we don't all want a solution

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think its important that all avenues are explored so that everyone has a deeper understanding of how things work, and what we can do to resolve the situation. Its not like we don't all want a solution

I agree BOTS,I just feel brillo is shutdown by some on everything she posts,it's not needed,and not nice,we are all entitalled to a differening opinion infact it makes the forum more interesting,I just feel a few hostile tones.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Really don't know why you bother Brillo,it's no good having a different opinion on here.come and have a cuppa you gobby mare,LOL

Anytime Kaz!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree BOTS,I just feel brillo is shutdown by some on everything she posts,it's not needed,and not nice,we are all entitalled to a differening opinion infact it makes the forum more interesting,I just feel a few hostile tones.

Disagreeing with someone does not equal shutting someone down. Brillo has made some strange suggestions, like deporting British people to countries they're not from, you have to expect some people to respond to that pretty strongly

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The concept of deporting 3rd generation immigrants to non-specific countries of "genetic and cultural origin" as a counter-terror measure. Supporting armed soldiers being on our streets. Advocating the removal or reducation of civil liberties in exchange for "keeping us safe". The idea that every Muslim immigrant is responsible for curbing the actions of extremists. None of these are just "right leaning", Brillo, at least have the courage of your convictions.

Nothing substantial in that little list. Is that it?

Commonsense determines we need armed soldiers on the streets at the moment, how you manage to describe that as right-wing is beyond me. And nothing wrong with people feeling Muslims should speak up more against ISIS.

If you really feel any of the above are right-wing extremism maybe that's because you must be at the other extreme and that's why such views seem so far out there to you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I wouldn't call you a right-wing extremist because you don't have the power to actually enact any of your bizarre fantasies. But I don't think it would be unfair to suggest that you are a... right-wing extremist sympathiser? You promote and express admiration of extreme right-wing measures, surely?

What power is there in being a terrorist - just a gang of armed thugs who target innocent unarmed people. I wouldn't call that power - just cowardice.