[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by simonsays

zazanne stop defending wagner

I'm not defending him,lol,I wish he had gone last week,I was just pointing out how people just seem to believe the stories as long as it's not about their fave

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

FFS to you too!!!! Cher has also had videos etc linked in some bad press,so,FO,and don't respond to me again.

Where's these videos then? Any video of her supposedly 'bullying' that girl? Any videos of her throwing these 'strops' during rehearsals?

Come on, let's see these 'videos'...

Originally Posted by kazanne

I'm not defending him,lol,I wish he had gone last week,I was just pointing out how people just seem to believe the stories as long as it's not about their fave

That's quite hypocritical coming from you...

[Zippy]

What is it with these deluded old assholes on the show?

All theyre doing is demonstrating exactly why they havent got far in the business after all these years; arrogance, delusion and a seriously bad attitude.

And if Wagner seriously believes he is any kind of worthy winner then he needs psychological help! He was put in for light relief...a comedy act. Thats all.

And if I went on Brazil Xfactor I'd expect the local acts to be favourites too. Its their country and obviously they would support their own first. Thats who they relate to most. You should be grateful you even got a place on it in the first place. Not that I think prejudice would have anything whatsoever to do with his lack of votes. He's just crap.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I'm not defending him,lol,I wish he had gone last week,I was just pointing out how people just seem to believe the stories as long as it's not about their fave

yep, spot on!

[Livia]

God, how can you all get so heated about a bunch of people you've seen on telly a couple of times. I mean, honestly... you'd think someone insulted your family or something, not a total stranger you're never, ever going to meet.

[MTVN]

So he had a bit of a rant in a private telephone call, so what?

Wagner

[Vicky.]

He said: "Simon Cowell can decide who he wants at number one. It is so double glazing, it is so block paving, it's all sales - it's bull****."

I think last year kinda proved this wasnt very true...


And what sort of a friend would do that? Seriously :/

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Classic. Though the thing at the end about the charts business...is he deluded? He's making no sense at all...

It does make sense, he's basically saying that Cowell and the X Factor dictate who will be in a success in the charts because they have such a huge influence now over the music industry. Like last year, all the artists who performed on the results show saw a big boost to their sales, all thanks to their appearance on X Factor.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Where's these videos then? Any video of her supposedly 'bullying' that girl? Any videos of her throwing these 'strops' during rehearsals?

Come on, let's see these 'videos'...



That's quite hypocritical coming from you...

Look I don't want to be mean,but are you dense?it is quite clear we do not like each other( I have my reasons),so I have asked you NOT to respond to me,and I will do the same to you,so what is it you don't understand about that ?and as a last word to you there was a video on here of Cher saying she wrote some lyrics to a song,which she clearly didn't,but who cares anyway,as you only believe yourself! so toddle off and annoy someone else,I am ignoring you from now on.bye

[Z]

I haven't listened to the recording; but reading the quoted article in this thread, it seems to have been written back at the bootcamp/judges houses stage of the competition??

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Look I don't want to be mean,but are you dense?

Nah, I think that's you, my love. Your standards of English tell me that

Originally Posted by kazanne

it is quite clear we do not like each other( I have my reasons),so I have asked you NOT to respond to me,and I will do the same to you,so what is it you don't understand about that ?

Nothing is hard to 'understand', dear, but since when do I have to listen to you? I'll reply to any post on this forum when I see fit, thanks, especially when I believe the post is stupid and needs questioning.

Originally Posted by kazanne

and as a last word to you there was a video on here of Cher saying she wrote some lyrics to a song,which she clearly didn't,but who cares anyway,as you only believe yourself! so toddle off and annoy someone else,I am ignoring you from now on.bye

None of that appeared in the press though, did it? And even if it did, the video was from one of the episodes of the X Factor, so it's not really a video of her 'bullying' anyone or throwing a 'strop' backstage, is it?

Talking of strops, that's a nice one you just threw there. You don't like it when someone challenges your posts, do you? Bless

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It does make sense, he's basically saying that Cowell and the X Factor dictate who will be in a success in the charts because they have such a huge influence now over the music industry. Like last year, all the artists who performed on the results show saw a big boost to their sales, all thanks to their appearance on X Factor.

No, not that bit. The part where he says 'they put a name in the press and in the charts saying that that is the number one. Then people will buy it because they are told it is the number one'. That's what doesn't make sense in the slightest - he is basically implying that the Official Charts Company make up the #1 each week...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, not that bit. The part where he says 'they put a name in the press and in the charts saying that that is the number one. Then people will buy it because they are told it is the number one'. That's what doesn't make sense in the slightest - he is basically implying that the Official Charts Company make up the #1 each week...

I dont think he is literally saying that though. I took it as him basically saying that because anything to do with the X Factor is shoved into the public eye and on the front page of national newspapers, they can effectively decide what artist will have chart success (to an extent anyway) by publicising their work, having them perform live etc.

[M X]

Originally Posted by Jordannn!

What a ****, I suppose he was right about some things he said but thats just shown him in a completley different light to how he makes himself come across on the show.

Me thinks this is the end for Wagner this week for sure.

this

[setanta]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

this

Eh, he was just venting on the phone with a friend. Everybody does that and it's his own business.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MichaelSpears

this

I think it is Wagners time to go,he maybe a nice enough bloke but it does seem the public are keeping him in to annoy the judges(except Louis)and I do not see that he has the X Factorhe did make me laugh on Saturday though,but I don't think that is the point of the show

[ElProximo]

Two things to consider:

1. Wagner would not have gone anywhere if this was X-Factor Brazil. What is actually carrying him is his not-typically-British act and persona and culture.

2. Why isn't it a crime and scandal in its own right that someone was secretly recording private conversations without Wagners knowledge? Isn't that against the law to be doing that? It should be.