[letmein]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Very few places in the USA had signs saying 'Whites' and 'Non-Whites'.



That is definitely not the case if you listen to Americans (black or white) who are old enough to remember there were tremendous distinctions made between 'light-skinned blacks' and then dark-skinned blacks. In some parts of the USA there were serious cultural divides. You can even read of the 'paper bag' tests at various clubs and bars where one had to be no darker than a paper bag.



He had a boost with Bin Laden but then again people (rightly or wrongly) also seem to associate the original mission and even the military men as a 'Bush' cause. Not that it hurt Obama either.

But he is not popular across the board. He has low approval ratings and I'm not sure why you are saying 'compared to the Republican jokers' because they may not have a 'Messiah' prepared and preordained like Obama was by Democrats,
but,
they have strong players like Herman Cain and Santorum though Christie could be a real big (no pun intended) big deal IF he did run.

I'd say this.. IF (and we have to see how they develop yet) but IF you got a Cain-Christie run against Obama?
Are you REALLY sure Obama would be safe? I'd suggest Cain sends Obama home like a Principal expelling a bad student.

ElProximo = exactly the reason why non-Americans should cease from discussing American politics.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by cub

For a lot of racist-minded people any hint of race other than white in your make-up makes you black.

Would that make me black then as have some Arabic blood in me?

[CharlieO]

Hate when people do stuff like this. Political correctness gone mad.

Like I cant do an indian accent mentioning nothing like curry or anything racist without being called racist. But no one would care if I did an australian accent. Its racism saying i cant do what I like just because im white.

This happened in BB8 as well, emily got kicked out for saying a word Charley and Nicky said in the exact same context and wasnt meant in a racist way at all but Charley and Nicky didn't even get a slap because they are black and allowed to say a word but a white person isnt. Its racism saying emily couldn't say it but it was fine for Charley and Nicky to just because they were black.

Rant over.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Hate when people do stuff like this. Political correctness gone mad.

Like I cant do an indian accent mentioning nothing like curry or anything racist without being called racist. But no one would care if I did an australian accent. Its racism saying i cant do what I like just because im white.

This happened in BB8 as well, emily got kicked out for saying a word Charley and Nicky said in the exact same context and wasnt meant in a racist way at all but Charley and Nicky didn't even get a slap because they are black and allowed to say a word but a white person isnt. Its racism saying emily couldn't say it but it was fine for Charley and Nicky to just because they were black.

Rant over.

Yeah, absolutely agree with that. The Emily thing was clearly a reaction to the whole Shilpa incident though

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Hate when people do stuff like this. Political correctness gone mad.

Like I cant do an indian accent mentioning nothing like curry or anything racist without being called racist. But no one would care if I did an australian accent. Its racism saying i cant do what I like just because im white.

This happened in BB8 as well, emily got kicked out for saying a word Charley and Nicky said in the exact same context and wasnt meant in a racist way at all but Charley and Nicky didn't even get a slap because they are black and allowed to say a word but a white person isnt. Its racism saying emily couldn't say it but it was fine for Charley and Nicky to just because they were black.

Rant over.

How many times do we have to go through this

Indians are persecuted for their race and belittling them by imitation is one way. Australians are not so imitating them is no problem

It is to do with prejudice. A black person saying the n word is not the same as a white person. If you dont know why that is then you should not be in this thread.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How many times do we have to go through this

Indians are persecuted for their race and belittling them by imitation is one way. Australians are not so imitating them is no problem

It is to do with prejudice. A black person saying the n word is not the same as a white person. If you dont know why that is then you should not be in this thread.

Im quater indian myself so back off. Sorry indians in school in the uk maybe but so are so many people for no reasons so that makes no difference. There is like a billion people in india not belittled racially in anyway. But just to do an accent because i can, and in a serious way not in a baiting way at all is not racism.

And i understand the history of the n word but i am not forcing black people to be my slaves and i have nothing against any race in anyway so actually it is racist to not allow a white person to say a word in the dictionary because of mistakes others have made in the past. If emily had used it in an offensive way then id understand but she didn't. I agree it shouldn't be said at all but a modern day white person should not be persecuted for saying it when a black person isnt.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think so. Or at least I think people are more reluctant to openly express displeasure with him because they fear being called a racist. He essentially has the same foreign policy as his predecesor yet doesn't get even close to half of the hate Bush got.

Yes some parts of America are Anti -Black..
But Barack got into power by making bold claims.


Top Guitarist Santana
said on CNN
why is he still not bringing our troops home?
And now Barack talks like Bush did
short sentances.


Will he be Killed in London next week - thats the Question?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

I think a lot of Black people dislike him. He's done nothing to help to hoods and ghettos of America, I think that is what some were expecting

Yeah that's true, the two people who he promised to help most and got him elected, black people and young people, havent had their situation improved at all

And in answer to the question I do think people are reluctant to dislike him yeah. It's true that Bush did all those tax breaks for the rich which he isnt popular for him but most people hated Bush for his foreign policy, and Obama seems no better in that regard; the killing of Bin Laden and the aftermath proved that.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah that's true, the two people who he promised to help most and got him elected, black people and young people, havent had their situation improved at all

And in answer to the question I do think people are reluctant to dislike him yeah. It's true that Bush did all those tax breaks for the rich which he isnt popular for him but most people hated Bush for his foreign policy, and Obama seems no better in that regard; the killing of Bin Laden and the aftermath proved that.

Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by letmein

Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

[BB_Eye]

I'm reluctant to dislike him, because he has done a reasonable job reversing the failures of the Bush Administration (just in case anybody forgets which government's policies caused the global financial crisis). Predictably, my main gripe with him turned out to be his reforms, which were not radical enough to kickstart the economy again.

[letmein]

I was waiting for the first person to use the term "PC" or "Political Correctness". ENOUGH PLAYING THE 'PC' CARD ALREADY! Yeesh! People who use the term 'PC' are almost always bigoted. It's a get out of jail free card response. Most don't even know what it means.

Obama's race only matters to Republicans. They can't shut up about it.

[BB_Eye]

Guys, stop fighting.

[ElProximo]

Everyone keep in mind Obama is not an African-American in the sense they (yanks) think of that term.
He is descended from slave owners on either side of his family. He has zero relation or ancestry to the founding Black Americans.
Culturally he was raised 100% privileged suburban upper-middle class 'White' though it was quite interesting part of his upbringing was Muslim Indonesian whatever the hell that was with his Step-Dad.

[ElProximo]

Peter Fonda sounds like he might be a weirdo but I thought Dennis Miller (a US pundit) really called this entire BP/Obama thing bang on when he described the USA political mentality like this:
The BP spill really just proves the issues really don't mean as much as whether or not your 'team' is winning or has won.
Had Bush Jr been sitting President during the spill.. SO HELP US ALL THAT EVIL GODDAMN EARTH KILLING NAZI!
HOly **** on a Stick you can just see the placards of the Vampire Bush with oil dripping off his fangs. PROOF Bush and Cheney are EVIL GAIYA MURDERING Darth Vader effing....

But because (in this case) their guy is sitting in the winning spot it isn't something involving the President.
Never mind that it was the Presidents party hard at work for decades that pushed oil rigs far off shore (barely even mentioned) or anything to do with the President.
Really, Obama's name (in any sense of blame or lack) never even came up much at all in any of that.

But as Miller calls it - really this has more to do with 'turf' than anything else. That their guy has the ground. So the issue is important (or not) by that standard.

Anyways, I'm surprised he can get much of a documentary out of the whole thing. It was tragic in lives lost but didn't affect the coast too much.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Peter Fonda sounds like he might be a weirdo but I thought Dennis Miller (a US pundit) really called this entire BP/Obama thing bang on when he described the USA political mentality like this:
The BP spill really just proves the issues really don't mean as much as whether or not your 'team' is winning or has won.
Had Bush Jr been sitting President during the spill.. SO HELP US ALL THAT EVIL GODDAMN EARTH KILLING NAZI!
HOly **** on a Stick you can just see the placards of the Vampire Bush with oil dripping off his fangs. PROOF Bush and Cheney are EVIL GAIYA MURDERING Darth Vader effing....

But because (in this case) their guy is sitting in the winning spot it isn't something involving the President.
Never mind that it was the Presidents party hard at work for decades that pushed oil rigs far off shore (barely even mentioned) or anything to do with the President.
Really, Obama's name (in any sense of blame or lack) never even came up much at all in any of that.

But as Miller calls it - really this has more to do with 'turf' than anything else. That their guy has the ground. So the issue is important (or not) by that standard.

Anyways, I'm surprised he can get much of a documentary out of the whole thing. It was tragic in lives lost but didn't affect the coast too much.

Dennis Miller is a Neocon idiot, and a failed comedian. Stop watching Fox Noise's spin machine!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by letmein

Dennis Miller is a Neocon idiot, and a failed comedian. Stop watching Fox Noise's spin machine!

Did you know informed political junkies actually refer to Miller as something like a 'Litmus Test' to catch out the most out-of-touch deluded liberal lefties?
IF you think Miller is a 'NeoCon' you are one.
In reality, Miller is, by any reasonable standard, very much in the middle and is really quite liberal socially and quite moderate financially.

Miller is a highly successful comedian and one of the biggest earners in comedy today. He can even charge premium subscriptions for podcasts which are not from Fox News.

Even though I rarely watch Fox News and even rarer have I ever seen Miller on Fox News I do watch Fox sometimes and enjoy it.
Because parrots like you are so far deluded the only explanation you can come up with is that Fox must be 'brainwashing' its viewers tells me just how brainwashed and easily manipulated you must be.

But back to the point:
What Miller said about Obama and Bush is something you know is true and would happen,
and,
in fact, you KNOW that YOU YOURSELF would be absolutely full-on forum posting and squawking about that goddamn Dick Cheney poisoning the seas and demanding 'Impeachment' over Bush and the oil spill.

You know Miller is right and it makes you angry inside. You know it lol

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Did you know informed political junkies actually refer to Miller as something like a 'Litmus Test' to catch out the most out-of-touch deluded liberal lefties?
IF you think Miller is a 'NeoCon' you are one.
In reality, Miller is, by any reasonable standard, very much in the middle and is really quite liberal socially and quite moderate financially.

Who would these 'informed political junkies' be? I love the way you throw around your opinionated anecdotes and half-truths as hard facts. No wonder you profess to enjoying Fox News.

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Miller is a highly successful comedian and one of the biggest earners in comedy today. He can even charge premium subscriptions for podcasts which are not from Fox News.

Even though I rarely watch Fox News and even rarer have I ever seen Miller on Fox News I do watch Fox sometimes and enjoy it.
Because parrots like you are so far deluded the only explanation you can come up with is that Fox must be 'brainwashing' its viewers tells me just how brainwashed and easily manipulated you must be.

But back to the point:
What Miller said about Obama and Bush is something you know is true and would happen,
and,
in fact, you KNOW that YOU YOURSELF would be absolutely full-on forum posting and squawking about that goddamn Dick Cheney poisoning the seas and demanding 'Impeachment' over Bush and the oil spill.

You know Miller is right and it makes you angry inside. You know it lol

I expect that when anybody objects to you telling them what they think, you'll instantly whine and complain you are being marginalised by the liberal conspiracy.

It's interesting to note Miller is a complete and utter relativist on the issue of free speech. He advocated the arrest of people who said anything untoward in the aftermath of 9/11 to be arrested as a terrorist suspect (in a country that detains and tortures terrorist suspects).

Youtube video

Lets say the shoe was on the other foot and you were arbitrarily arrested for incitement to hate crime. Your beloved and apparently moderate Dennis Miller thinks free speech ought not to count if you are liable to piss people off. You aggravate and annoy people routinely with your views (which I won't go into). Miller is a cliche. He is the kind of person who would scream 'censorship' when called out out on his political incorrectness, but won't afford those who disagree with him even basic civil liberties.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

It's interesting to note Miller is a complete and utter relativist on the issue of free speech. He advocated the arrest of people who said anything untoward in the aftermath of 9/11 to be arrested as a terrorist suspect (in a country that detains and tortures terrorist suspects).

Youtube video

Interesting opinionated anecdote with no hard facts but why do you say that about Miller?
You posted a video showing Miller advocating the near opposite so did he change his mind?
Did he write this in an article somewhere?

Or is this one of you 911 'Truther' conspiracies?

[Mystic Mock]

I think so,but tbf Bush was in a right winged party when it came to joining the Republicans yet his let more illigal immigrants into america than most democrats ever could.

But yes people are scared to attack a black muslim like Obama because they get called a racist.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I think so,but tbf Bush was in a right winged party when it came to joining the Republicans yet his let more illigal immigrants into america than most democrats ever could.

But yes people are scared to attack a black muslim like Obama because they get called a racist.

He's not a Muslim

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He's not a Muslim

He pretends to the public,but his actual friends are muslims which in secret his a muslim.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

He pretends to the public,but his actual friends are muslims which in secret his a muslim.

I think you better leave this topic to the adults.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

He pretends to the public,but his actual friends are muslims which in secret his a muslim.

No he's not, it's just a way for far-right idiots and racists to try and discredit him