[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Half the housemates might as well be potted plants. The only people that seem to be doing anything on their own accord are the twins. Aside from them, it was entertaining watching Michael talking to himself and love it that Denise was stunned that Michael stayed over Kirk and Natalie. Everyone else is just kind of hanging around. Even Gareth(?) only did something because it was his task to do it.

One of the things I notice is the twins are getting a weird amount of criticism for plotting and playing the game. Why do people fault them for wanting to last a little longer in the house and to save their own necks? Everyone is playing the game even if they don't admit it. It seems to me the rest of house has made a decision to gang up on the Americans and the twins are trying to do something about it. Is it really such a bad thing for them to WANT to advance themselves and get closer to winning? Are they all supposed to be on there and not care about winning? They all care about winning and they are all playing the game and twins seem to be the only ones that are open about it.

Good post, I am British but I would like Michael or the twins to win. They are great.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not racist at all, just against any form of bullying ,and ALL 3 Yanks this year have been bullies in one shape of form

Oh really?? So you were praising the twins when they were sticking up for Georgia when she was being ostracized and bullied? I must have missed that.

[Niamh.]

The Twins and Michael have made the show this year imo. It's true that in past years the British public didn't like game players, but I think that attitude is changing, especially since BB moved to channel 5 and the forums seem to have more of a say on how things pan out in there.

The Twins may be confident but then so was Natalie, she was convinced she was staying last friday, so why is that not big headed but the twins are?

Also, people have said Michael and the twins are bullies but what about the clique in there? all ganging up and being quite nasty to Georgia in there, the Twins were the only ones decent to her. Then Natalie had the cheek to say that she felt hurt when the twins nominated her, yet she nominated them......along with nearly everyone else, how does she think they feel?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

It does kind of baffle me. This is the impression I get about BBUK. You have 12 or however many Housemates. They all know that whoever is the last one standing will get a massive cash prize but they're not supposed to want it. They're not supposed to try to get to the end. They're just supposed to be there to enjoy the experience. This must be the only game where it's a sin to actually try to play the game. The best way to play is to do so subtly.

But, on a high note, if the UK public doesn't like people who are playing the game, then Michael is your winner. I don't think he cares at all if he wins and is content to let whatever is going to happen happen.

Big Brother UK has never really been about competition. Ever.
When it started here it was ground-breaking reality TV.

A housemate who was plotting to influence nominations in the first series was thrown out, and was actually hated for his game plan.

Britain doesn't like a game-player in Big Brother. Its not that type of show here.

[lostalex]

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh they're so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Last time i looked this was BIG BROTHER UK,We do not suffer fools gladly ,nor do the majority of the British public like arrogance and downright nastiness, certainly not in Northern UK

And it's for that precise reason that Natalie in particular got the old heave ho on Friday night. You can bet her fellow witches Denise and Nicola will follow suit soon.

The Americans are showing the British housemates up - for it's the British ones that are being arrogant and downright nasty.

You heard the witches - so arrogant they are none of them could believe that Kirk and Natalie went - even she herself was gobsmacked. And you call the American's arrogant! LOL

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh their so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

No, not all the women. Just the British ones in the house - they are an embarrassment to be honest.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The twins haven't been any more arrogant/confident/cocky than the 2 young boys have frankie and kirk have been just as arrogant. But when a young boy does it, it's seen as "lads just being lads" but when women are confident "oh they're so up themselves, horrible arrogant witches".

Such a double standard.

Very true Alex.

I don't think Americans are a race, so it's not really racism.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I don't think Americans are a race, so it's not really racism.

American is a nationality and a culture. Racism includes culture, nationality, and ethnicity, it's not just the color of your skin.. Pakistani isn't a race eigther, it's a nationality, but it's racist to call someone a P@ki, isn't it?

Originally Posted by lostalex

American is a nationality and a culture. Racism includes culture, nationality, and ethnicity, it's not just the color of your skin.. Pakistani isn't a race eigther, it's a nationality, but it's racist to call someone a P@ki, isn't it?

Most white Americans, are of European heritage, and fled Europe to be free of religious persecution. Ironically, to a place now rife with religious persecution. Work that out.

"P@ki" has a historical context to it, that disliking Americans doesn't. They are also of Middle eastern/Arabian descent. Which certainly is a race. I think xenophobic is the correct word (as another poster already mentioned), but it's not racism. We are generally of the same race.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Most white Americans, are of European heritage, and fled Europe to be free of religious persecution. Ironically, to a place now rife with religious persecution. Work that out.

"P@ki" has a historical context to it, that disliking Americans doesn't. Thay are also of Middle eastern/Arabian descent. Which certainly is a race. I think xenophobic is the correct word (as another poster already mentioned), but it's not racism. We are generally of the same race.

xenophobia is racism. Racism is a catch all word. Saying that anti-Americanism isn't racism, is actually a racist statement in and of itself.

Would you say that Americans that hate Mexicans are racists? I would. Even though both America and Mexico are both majority white european countries.

If i said i hate Muslims they are all terrorists, that would be called racist. Hitler kiling jews was called racist, even though most of the jews he killed were white europeans too.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

For YOU

Clearly for ME- who else would I be posting on behalf of?

I'll ask again: if the 'Yanks' as you call them have made it all such a hellish ordeal for you - why on earth are you still watching the show. If they have ruined it for you, why are you still tuning in.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

xenophobia is racism. Racism is a catch all word. Saying anti-Americanism isn't racist, is actually a racist statement in and of itself.

Would you say that American's that hate Mexicans are racists? I would. Even though both America and Mexico are both majority white european countries.

If i said i hate Muslims they are all terrorists, that would be called racist. Hitler kiling jews was called racist, even though most of the jews he killed were white europeans too.

No it is not. It is a fear or hatred of strangers or anything/one foreign.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No it is not. It is a fear or hatred of strangers or anything/one foreign.

so is racism.

Originally Posted by lostalex

xenophobia is racism. Racism is a catch all word. Saying anti-Americanism isn't racist, is actually a racist statement in and of itself.

Would you say that Americans that hate Mexicans are racists? I would. Even though both America and Mexico are both majority white european countries.

If i said i hate Muslims they are all terrorists, that would be called racist. Hitler kiling jews was called racist, even though most of the jews he killed were white europeans too.

Did the poster say they disliked all Americans, or the few American HM's that have been in CBB? Because there definitely is a distinction.

Jews are a race of people, though.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Did the poster say they disliked all Americans, or the few American HM's that have been in CBB? Because there definitely is a distinction.

Jews are a race of people, though.

discriminating against jews is racism yes, but jews are mostly white europeans but you just said discriminating against white europeans is not racism.... so now you've contradicted yourself.

Originally Posted by lostalex

discriminating against jews is racism yes, but jews are mostly white europeans but you just said discriminating against white europeans is not racism.... so now you've contradicted yourself.

Jews are not white Europeans, though. I'm really confused as to where you get some of your history from.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Big Brother UK has never really been about competition. Ever.
When it started here it was ground-breaking reality TV.

A housemate who was plotting to influence nominations in the first series was thrown out, and was actually hated for his game plan.

Britain doesn't like a game-player in Big Brother. Its not that type of show here.

I am British, and I like the game playing as long as it doesn't venture into over the top nastiness with and towards others. I liked Nick and he shouldn't have been chucked out of BB1, he wasn't evil, just a pretty good gameplayer up to that point, but on the other hand he got exposure out of it all and he seems to have done well since the show, and it brought the show the attention it needed, so it all worked out well in the end.

I don't think it has anything to do with Brits or other cultures, races et el; as to how we view certain housemates and aspects of a show, it has to do with our indivdual tastes in my opinion.

Just for the record, too, the Americans in this series are my favourite HM's and have made the show, this season.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Jews are not white Europeans, though. I'm really confused as to where you get some of your history from.

ummm, so what are they then? are there arab jews? yes, are there black jews yes, are most jews white europeans? yes. Just like Americans. But you say discriminating against jews is racist, but against Americans is not?

seems hypocritical to me.

[wendywillow]

i like the twins because theyre funny and not what youd expect....that theyre full of themselves is beyond the point....you cant take them seriously (i mean they actually thought the applause on eviction night decided who would be voted out a while ago)....

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm, so what are they then? are there arab jews? yes, are there black jews yes, are most jews white europeans? yes. Just like Americans. But you say discriminating against jews is racist, but against Americans is not?

seems hypocritical to me.

Jews are an ethno-religious group, they may have moved into Europe, but they are not white Europeans.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Jews are an ethno-religious group, they may have moved into Europe, but they are not white Europeans.

So you're telling me that you can tell a jew from a gentile just by looking at them? That's racist.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by wendywillow

i like the twins because theyre funny and not what youd expect....that theyre full of themselves is beyond the point....you cant take them seriously (i mean they actually thought the applause on eviction night decided who would be voted out a while ago)....

I honestly can't see that they are any more arrogant than a lot of housemates who do BB, and arrogance up to a certain point doesn't bother me, it sometimes makes a housemate that little bit more interesting, rather than just being wallpaper. After all arrogance must be a big part of why a majority are chosen for BBs in the first place, as the producers know that would give many of us decent viewing.