[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The pain isn't caused by the anemia, I dont really get any symptoms from that besides feeling faint sometimes. I stopped taking my iron tablets as they didn't appear to be helping (gave them 3 months and my levels never improved) and I couldn't poo! Made me so constipated and had a really bad stomach the entire time I was on them

The pain is a completely different matter. I get it every day, without fail, it lasts hours though it does vary slightly. Nothing I do eases it, no stretches or anything. Its on the right side of my rib cage, where if you hang your arms down by your sides...right under there. It feels like it actually is in my ribs, but I have had 2 xrays now and no problems are showing on my ribs (or my spine). Every blood test I have shows massive inflammation, so the docs know there is something amiss somewhere. I have had a endoscopy, I have had around 15 blood tests in 8 months. 2 x rays, 5 trips to A&E for shots of morphine when it became completely unbearable. They were going to check my gallbladder and liver, but they screwed up the appointments and blamed me for not showing up and now I have to wait to be re-referred for that again, which took 4 months last time. Codeine initially helped the pain a lot...but I ended up having to take doses of 300mg at a time (GP didnt recommend that much, I just kept popping them until the pain went) to have any relief, so I told the docs I wasn't taking it anymore. Turns out I develop a tolerance to painkillers really quickly, so anything I try works for a week at the most before doses have to get too high.

So yeah, my son seems to have broken me

Awwww!

I was wondering if it was right side rib pain, that's what i complained to my doctor of, i had an ultrasound to check all my body organs (upper and lower ultrasound) and it showed nothing, my doctor got sick of seeing me, and said that all my tests were fine and there was nothing she could do, so i started to look into the immune system diet and anti inflammatory diet, as well as my posture, it turns out i have weak stomach and back muscles and they all support each other, so i have to strengthen them. I figured the way i sit on the sofa was causing me problems, and i was also taking a lot of vitamin pills, i've now stopped these and only eat and drinks foods that are nutrient dense and that my body can use to repair and fuel itself.

Awww my hubby wants to use the computer now, i really wish i could talk to you longer, i'll check in tomorrow morning

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Docs never even mentioned gallbladder. My counselor mentioned that and then the docs were like 'oh yeah, we will test for that too'

But if its goijng to be another 4 months before thats sorted...I can;t wait that long.

If its gallblader thats causing it..will they just take it out? Its one of the things you don't actually need isn't it? Like an appendix?

If it turns out to be something simple to fix I'm going to be so pissed that I have been messed around so much

my entire family has a history with gallbladder disorder. My sister went for a year or more with constant pain where they checked her gallbladder via xray over and over and they kept telling her that it wasn't it. She eventually had a major attack on an airplane ride and had to be taken off the plane into an ambulance. They removed her gallbladder that day and found it was majorly infected and probably had been all along.

Where I am they remove it without question. There is a procedure for using lasers to break up the stones... but they won't do it here because the chances of having to redo it are high and that costs more in the long run over removal

I myself have had gallbladder attacks throughout my life, and now I just do a gallbladder cleanse every year or two to keep things working and functioning normally... but many GP's would advise against this as well

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Awwww!

I was wondering if it was right side rib pain, that's what i complained to my doctor of, i had an ultrasound to check all my body organs (upper and lower ultrasound) and it showed nothing, my doctor got sick of seeing me, and said that all my tests were fine and there was nothing she could do, so i started to look into the immune system diet and anti inflammatory diet, as well as my posture, it turns out i have weak stomach and back muscles and they all support each other, so i have to strengthen them. I figured the way i sit on the sofa was causing me problems, and i was also taking a lot of vitamin pills, i've now stopped these and only eat and drinks foods that are nutrient dense and that my body can use to repair and fuel itself.

Awww my hubby wants to use the computer now, i really wish i could talk to you longer, i'll check in tomorrow morning

Honestly, I am starting to doubt that doctors know anything besides giving out pills. If a pill can't help you, they don't seem to give a crap

I have been referred to the pain clinic to try and get something sorted short term, however there was ANOTHER mess up with that appointment too but that one shouldn't take too long to rearrange. I just feel I should be doing something myself to try and fix myself tbh. I can barely sleep as usually it comes on at night time. During my rare pain free hours I could sleep like a baby, but I feel horrible doing it as usually its just when my daughter has finished nursery, or some other time when I should be giving the kids attention

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Docs never even mentioned gallbladder. My counselor mentioned that and then the docs were like 'oh yeah, we will test for that too' I believe Kizzy mentioned it on here at around the sametime too...last time I was going on about my ribs

But if its going to be another 4 months before thats sorted...I can't wait that long.

If its gallbladder thats causing it..will they just take it out? Its one of the things you don't actually need isn't it? Like an appendix?

If it turns out to be something simple to fix I'm going to be so pissed that I have been messed around so much

Edit, just read your above post.
The fact that the pain is mainly on a night makes me think it really could be your gallbladder.
Try and eat a fat free diet if you can, no burgers or sausages etc, and have NLT a little evening meal. Good luck with it all, nothing worse than pain you cannot control.

VICKY, next time you get the pain, if it is extreme, try and make yourself sick.
I know that sounds a bit OTT but if you are having trouble with your gallbladder and have a blockage, it normally eases it.
Well it did for me, my gallbladder was ruptured and I had a gallstone blocking the bile duct, the pain was unbearable at times.
Mind you, you would probably have gone a good shade of yellow/ green by now if that is the case. But it could be your gallbladder without a blockage.
Might be worth a try.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

VICKY, next time you get the pain, if it is extreme, try and make yourself sick.
I know that sounds a bit OTT but if you are having trouble with your gallbladder and have a blockage, it normally eases it.
Well it did for me, my gallbladder was ruptured and I had a gallstone blocking the bile duct, the pain was unbearable at times.
Mind you, you would probably have gone a good shade of yellow/ green by now if that is the case. But it could be your gallbladder without a blockage.
Might be worth a try.

I cannot make myself sick.

I have a awful awful phobia of vomit to the point where I would rather endure terrible pain than be sick. I used to get migraines quite regularly that I KNOW would leave literally as soon as I vomitted yet I would still fight it for hours and hours

Does gallbladder pain always show in ribs? I would have thought it was more the stomach area but googling a bit now again and it seems it often manifests in ribs :S

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I cannot make myself sick.

I have a awful awful phobia of vomit to the point where I would rather endure terrible pain than be sick. I used to get migraines quite regularly that I KNOW would leave literally as soon as I vomitted yet I would still fight it for hours and hours
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Does gallbladder pain always show in ribs? I would have thought it was more the stomach area but googling a bit now again and it seems it often manifests in ribs :S

My mom used to say, take your left arm and put it behind/across your back with the thumb out... If where your fist and thumb lye is where the pain is... It is gallbladder

[Mokka]

i also agree from many things that I have read, night time or middle of the night pain is significant in gallbladder attacks

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I cannot make myself sick.

I have a awful awful phobia of vomit to the point where I would rather endure terrible pain than be sick. I used to get migraines quite regularly that I KNOW would leave literally as soon as I vomitted yet I would still fight it for hours and hours

Does gallbladder pain always show in ribs? I would have thought it was more the stomach area but googling a bit now again and it seems it often manifests in ribs :S

My pain was on the right hand see, mainly the liver to be honest as it gave me hepatitis as my bile duct was blocked With a gallstone and my body was killing me.
My worst episode I was peeing what looked like coca cola, next morning my eyeballs and skin turned green.
Unfortunately the doctors failed to diagnose the acute pain I was suffering for over a year and the beggar ruptured.
Really push to have a scan for gallstones. nobody should suffer that pain.

[Amy Jade]

I love kale haha

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

My mom used to say, take your left arm and put it behind/across your back with the thumb out... If where your fist and thumb lye is where the pain is... It is gallbladder

Its pretty much there yeah, a bit further round though, like literally in a straight line down the side of my ribs, from around my armpit to the bottom of my rib cage.

Originally Posted by smudgie

My pain was on the right hand see, mainly the liver to be honest as it gave me hepatitis as my bile duct was blocked With a gallstone and my body was killing me.
My worst episode I was peeing what looked like coca cola, next morning my eyeballs and skin turned green.
Unfortunately the doctors failed to diagnose the acute pain I was suffering for over a year and the beggar ruptured.
Really push to have a scan for gallstones. nobody should suffer that pain.

Jesus, that sounds horrific.

I'm considering now (as you lot have scared me ) next time the pains seriously bad just going to A&E again and mentioning the gallbladder thing, as A&E seems to be the only place that actually takes me seriously. It was them who did the xrays and stuff. My docs are useless. You can't get an appointment for months and months, and even when you get one it takes months again to be referred to the right place

[Josy]

My doctors would have a fit if I suggested this but then it's not something I would do, I couldn't handle the dizziness.

If you do go ahead with it make sure you have someone else around for any times you feel the dizziness or faintness.

[hannah.]

Best of luck and all, but I can't see you lasting more than 5 max. It's wayyy too hard on the body and unless you're just laid in bed all day it'll be excrucuating

[Mokka]

Just in case you are interested... this is the cleanse I use periodically...
I was told a couple of years back the pain I was having wasn't my gallbladder because nothing ever showed up in x-ray or ultrasound... but when I did the cleanse... I passed stones larger than marbles... and my health immediately went back to normal

I am not someone who usually likes to push stuff like this in chat forums... but I have worked in the nutritional health sales field for most of my life, and I have met many people who have done this with success, but doctors will tell you it is risky. I would say it isn't as risky as a 14 day water cleanse... but that is just my perspective.

http://www.curezone.org/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

[armand.kay]

lol basically ramadan?

[armand.kay]

...which is soon I'm perched fort the weight loss.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm reading up about it now and have been for a couple of days. I mentioned it to my GP yesterday too and she has no problems with it, reckons it does good as long as its short term.

So heres the deal.

Apparently it detoxes your body and has been known to 'cure' health conditions. As I am getting next to no help with my ribs and painkillers have completely stopped working and docs are still no closer to discovering what the problem actually is, this is kinda a last resort.

At the same time..I have weight to lose. And apparently this is a quick way to lose it. I have slipped into terrible eating habits and have now put back on everything I lost after having James 10 months ago. I think losing around 2 stone would be good.

I'm thinking of doing 14 days. Apparently when you break the fast too, your body craves healthy food, so this would be a way to sort my diet out at the same time (been eating so much crap and craving chocolate so bad...)

I'm just wondering if anyone has had any success, or knows anyone that has...either from the weight loss perspective or the health benefits side of it. The health part is much more important to me than the weight loss, and there does seem to be a lot about it on the internet, but I don't trust google too much tbh. I don't want to get my hopes up too much for nothing

It sounds a bit odd to me, even with 5:2 you can have about 500 cals I would be worried if you had nothing in your system you could become lightheaded and pass out bit scary around the kids :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Docs never even mentioned gallbladder. My counselor mentioned that and then the docs were like 'oh yeah, we will test for that too' I believe Kizzy mentioned it on here at around the sametime too...last time I was going on about my ribs

But if its going to be another 4 months before thats sorted...I can't wait that long.

If its gallbladder thats causing it..will they just take it out? Its one of the things you don't actually need isn't it? Like an appendix?

If it turns out to be something simple to fix I'm going to be so pissed that I have been messed around so much

Your gall bladder must have had an ultrasound surely they looked at that when I had right upper quadrant pain, I had the gall out but the pain remained :/ Have you ever had your plasma viscosity checked, that will show the level of inflammation in your blood?
Maybe ask to be referred to rheumatology if you're having pain in soft tissues that might be the best place to try.
Do you feel any lumps? The thing mine tuned out to be was neuro lipomas that I may be having removed ... haven't decided to have the surgery yet

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I am starting to doubt that doctors know anything besides giving out pills. If a pill can't help you, they don't seem to give a crap

I have been referred to the pain clinic to try and get something sorted short term, however there was ANOTHER mess up with that appointment too but that one shouldn't take too long to rearrange. I just feel I should be doing something myself to try and fix myself tbh. I can barely sleep as usually it comes on at night time. During my rare pain free hours I could sleep like a baby, but I feel horrible doing it as usually its just when my daughter has finished nursery, or some other time when I should be giving the kids attention

The doctors are rubbish, you're right they just want to give out pills and send you on your way.

For me holistic health is the way forward, at Easter this year i was suffering with a virus, my chest felt tight and wheezy, this lasted for 10 days, my daughter then passed onto me another virus which was more like a flu virus, i suffered sweats, mucous on my lungs and in my throat, i was coughing but nothing would shift it, it felt more in the bronchi than in my lungs, so when i went to drs they said everything was clear, my temperature was slightly elevated, i had to sleep sitting up as i felt like i was choking if i lay down, this lasted 5 days, i then started to get intense pain in my stomach (just below my breast bone) this radiated to the right and travelled down to the right hip, i had a strong urge to vomit but couldn't so i was dry heaving, the pain made me feel like i was going to pass out and i was sweating like a pig! I ended up phoning an ambulance, as soon as i was in the ambulance i started vomiting, this vomiting lasted for 2 hours they then gave me anti sickness tablets which stopped the vomiting (it was amazing), i had an xray which showed nothing, the junior dr made a guess that it was possibly gastritis, to which i was sent home, it was 4 in the morning i had to get a taxi and because the anti sickness meds (a drip) were removed the vomiting returned, at 5 am i just curled into a ball exhausted and fell asleep, this was my turning point, the doctors know nothing about what's affecting me, i could only assume i had multiple food intolerances, my insomnia was also a factor as the body repairs when you sleep and if you don't sleep it won't repair, i know i had mild inflammation so i had to assume the protective mucus in my stomach was of poor quality, and was actually causing leaky gut syndrome, i also had to assume that i was also suffering from estrogen dominance, as soon as the dr put me on the mini pill, my whole body seemed to calm down (so check out estrogen dominance), also my thyroid levels are on the low side but within the normal range, mine was 1.3, so ask for the thyroid test if you've had it ask for the levels and do your research regarding foods that support thyroid function.

I wish you all the good luck in the world and the only advice i can give you is to listen to your instincts, listen to your body, don't be afraid to challenge the doctor, and do your research, i think my girls (now nearly 14!) also broke my body, but i feel that diet is my way forward, as i said in a previous post look into the nutri bullet (i also did a nutri bullet thread), it really has helped me and gave me a different connection to food, i understand now that i need food that looks after and supports my body, i've also found the foods that i have an intolerance to which is hard for me to accept, but if i want to continue having no health issues i must take my dietary needs into consideration.

The foods that my body can't handle seem to be dairy, gluten, tea and coffee, tomato based meals, onion and garlic as well as lemons, after 6 weeks off these foods i found that tea and coffee give me stomach ache, lemons aggravate my acid reflux as does tomato based meals, onion and garlic, dairy seems to increase mucus that makes me suffer with sinus congestion and a post nasal drip, gluten makes me feel tired and weak, concentration, memory problems, brain fog (dairy and gluten also make me windy!) And all of these foods affect my hiatus hernia and GERD.

I found all this out in 6 weeks that's better than what a doctor can do!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

lol basically ramadan?

Originally Posted by armand.kay

...which is soon I'm perched fort the weight loss.

Don't you eat at night though? A lot of the women I work with get up to cook and eat before sunrise ? What Vicky is talking about is water 24 hours a day

[Niamh.]

You don't eat for 14 days?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Sounds dangerous tbh

Yes would be for some
if they are not doing it correct

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You don't eat for 14 days?

No sex while thats going down

[Vanessa]

I can't do it. I love my food too much.

[Niamh.]

I love the name "water Fast" though, call a spade a spade, Starve yourself for 2 weeks lol

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by arista

No sex while thats going down