[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I'm agnostic. I don't think you can prove or disprove God and I'm not going to be forced to make a choice out of the two.

This ^

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This ^

Do you think it's 50/50?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think it's 50/50?

I don't know!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't know!!

Do you not think you should?

[letmein]

I'm agnostic.

[Livia]

Yes I believe in God. No, I wouldn't shout those things out, not because of fear but out of reverence. If someone else doesn't believe and wants to shout them? Knock yourself out.

[Kizzy]

You said the Guardian simplified belief, really you feel the study does, you never really clarified that... but I think I know where you're coming from now.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You said the Guardian simplified belief, really you feel the study does, you never really clarified that... but I think I know where you're coming from now.

Yes, the ARTICLE.

The article is about the study so the connection there is obvious. I haven't read the study itself so only have the article as a reference.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, the ARTICLE.

The article is about the study so the connection there is obvious. I haven't read the study itself so only have the article as a reference.

You did seem to be blaming the Guardian though I thought for simplifying belief...
I didn't really find that a fair point considering they didn't conduct the study, to condemn the guardian based on one report seem a little extreme.

It's not unusual for faith to be tested, when there are natural disasters and such many ask how did god allow this to happen. It's not negative to question belief it's quite healthy as you are able then to rationalise and reaffirm it once the shock of the disaster has passed.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You did seem to be blaming the Guardian though I thought for simplifying belief...
I didn't really find that a fair point considering they didn't conduct the study, to condemn the guardian based on one report seem a little extreme.

It's not unusual for faith to be tested, when there are natural disasters and such many ask how did god allow this to happen. It's not negative to question belief it's quite healthy as you are able then to rationalise and reaffirm it once the shock of the disaster has passed.

I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying.

I haven't mentioned anything about testing faith or questioning belief in general.

I was talking about the notion the article puts forward that "If you say ______ out loud you are an atheist, if you don't you are a believer". Silly simplification they are putting forward based on this 'study'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying.

I haven't mentioned anything about testing faith or questioning belief in general.

I was talking about the notion the article puts forward that "If you say ______ out loud you are an atheist, if you don't you are a believer". Silly simplification they are putting forward based on this 'study'.

No I'm really not.
I replied to you and then left a small gap to continue my post to expand on my view.
They are reporting on what the study appears to suggest, don't shoot the messenger.

[Denver]

I believe in God but not the religion

[rubymoo]

I wouldn't shout those things Kizzy, the same as you, i wouldn't want those words out in the universe. And yet i have considered myself agnostic, however i found myself talking to him (god) whilst out walking my dog last night, i'm a walking contradiction!

[Glenn.]

I don't believe in God. It's just not realistic.

[jennyjuniper]

I believe.

[user104658]

I happily said them out loud. I'm 99.9% certain that "God" in any religious sense does not exist. For the other 0.1%? I'm 100% certain that if such a being DOES exist, it's not ****ing listening .

However, this is a stupid test. I also said them out loud because I'm not superstitious. A lot of non-religious people still wouldn't say those things, not because they believe in god, but because they believe in "not tempting fate"... for example, I know plenty of people who definitely don't believe in God / religion, but would never dream of doing the whole "Swear on your children's lives" thing.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I happily said them out loud. I'm 99.9% certain that "God" in any religious sense does not exist. For the other 0.1%? I'm 100% certain that if such a being DOES exist, it's not ****ing listening .

However, this is a stupid test. I also said them out loud because I'm not superstitious. A lot of non-religious people still wouldn't say those things, not because they believe in god, but because they believe in "not tempting fate"... for example, I know plenty of people who definitely don't believe in God / religion, but would never dream of doing the whole "Swear on your children's lives" thing.

..I didn't say them out loud..not because of anything to do with religious beliefs or superstition..but because as you say, there is no sense in it for me...it's not about whether something could 'come true' if I said it or thought it, but why would I say or even think anything negative about the people and things that are the most important in my life...the things that I hold the closest in my heart.../that makes no kind of sense, so to say them would just not be being true to me, really...but just to appease a survey or whatever it is...


..it's like the example that you gave really...I wouldn't swear something on my child's life, not because I would worry that it would cause them harm if I did but just because ...why would I need to swear on anything if what I believed being said or happening or whatever was true to me anyway..../just silly...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I didn't say them out loud..not because of anything to do with religious beliefs or superstition..but because as you say, there is no sense in it for me...it's not about whether something could 'come true' if I said it or thought it, but why would I say or even think anything negative about the people and things that are the most important in my life...the things that I hold the closest in my heart.../that makes no kind of sense, so to say them would just not be being true to me, really...but just to appease a survey or whatever it is...


..it's like the example that you gave really...I wouldn't swear something on my child's life, not because I would worry that it would cause them harm if I did but just because ...why would I need to swear on anything if what I believed being said or happening or whatever was true to me anyway..../just silly...

no offense Ammi, but the way you describe it, you reminded me of the type of friends you have that always drink too much, and if alcoholism comes up they say "i could stop drinking if i really wanted to, but i just don't want to"...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no offense Ammi, but the way you describe it, you reminded me of the type of friends you have that always drink too much, and if alcoholism comes up they say "i could stop drinking if i really wanted to, but i just don't want to"...

.....oh ok then, I'm going to have to think about that analogy for a bit, Alex..to see if I can understand the comparison...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....oh ok then, I'm going to have to think about that analogy for a bit, Alex..to see if I can understand the comparison...

I'm just saying, i think you are really religious, but you don't want people to think you are really a true religious person because you think they will think you are ignorant and all the other negative stereotypes of religious people.

[lostalex]

**** no. There is absolutely no part of me that thinks there is even a possibility that God exists. Every God that others believe in are evil according to their own texts, so even if they did exist (which they don't) i would do everything i could to fight against them.

God does not exist and all of the Gods that other people believe in are evil.

I believe that religious people have a psychological disorder and should not be trusted to work in important jobs that have a lot of influence, like doctors, teachers, politicians, judges, etc...

[waterhog]

I am a bit confused about this thread - I thought this was about Justin - I am a belieber

[Crimson Dynamo]

does anyone think that if you say out loud

I dare God to make my life amazing.
I dare God to make my home into a dream home
I dare God to turn all of my friends into the best friends i could possibly hope for

that would work either?


of course not

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

does anyone think that if you say out loud

I dare God to make my life amazing.
I dare God to make my home into a dream home
I dare God to turn all of my friends into the best friends i could possibly hope for

that would work either?


of course not

He's God, he's not a genie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's God, he's not a genie.

he is nothing that is why he or it does nothing and does not exist


If you pray to a chair ( a nice one mind) you get the same results 100% of the time