[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Livia

It is incomparable.
Sam Fox: low-res, low DPI images of young girls with their tops off - just their tops - and not generally in sexual poses.

Chloe Khan: Full frontal, high-res images in Playboy... no-holds-barred videos available online with very little searching, added to her performance in the house... sliding up and down a pole with her comedy tits out, straddling Bear and bumping up and down on his junk... quite clearly having full sex in a range of places...

Sam IS above Chloe You can't compare Page 3 in the 1980s with what Chloe does.

I won't post pics obviously but Google says differently. There is nothing 'classy' about what either of them do/have done. If Sam was a young model in today's industry there's no doubt that she'd be doing the exact same thing either. It's the time that has moved on, nothing to do with who they are as people.

And everybody is equal

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by caprimint

I won't post pics obviously but Google says differently. There is nothing 'classy' about what either of them do/have done. If Sam was a young model in today's industry there's no doubt that she'd be doing the exact same thing either. It's the time that has moved on, nothing to do with who they are as people.

And everybody is equal

I agree with that, Sam Fox pushed the boundaries of what was acceptable in the 80s and Chloe is doing the same now, Sam comes across as being a particularly humourless snob, which is a shame as I thought I would like her

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Page 3 of the 80s isn't the same as the surgically enhanced, full-frontal, totally uninhibited freak shows we get in the house today.

OK, it's not identical, but it's similar enough that surely she of all people in there shouldn't be judging the younger girls for getting their boobs out? And if she really thinks it was art...

But then again, I think the issue (based on a few other things she has said in there also) is that she DOESN'T particularly like that she got her start by essentially selling pictures of herself sans clothes... She hates it being mentioned at all. So surely if anything she should share that with them and how she feels about it now? Might make them consider that perspective. Instead she chooses to judge them, more than anyone else in there. It's just a bit odd.

[chuff me dizzy]

Sams taken on the role as Renees bitch and is playing it to a T and making herself look stupid doing so, its cost her what chance she had of winning

[hot2go]

I felt sorry for Sam when Heavy said that to her.....there is a difference between topless modelling and poll dancing in public , esp in that moment when the others were voicing their disapproval of Chloe. Even if Heavy thinks they are one and the same it was a mean thing to say at that moment and Sam prob felt humiliated.....it could earn him a nomination from Sam this week.

[Northern Monkey]

Atleast Chloe and Marnie are on an adult show after 9pm.Old Sam Fox had her tits in peoples face while they ate their toast(which i have absolutely nothing against).However she can't claim any moral high ground at all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Atleast Chloe and Marnie are on an adult show after 9pm.Old Sam Fox had her tits in peoples face while they ate their toast(which i have absolutely nothing against).However she can't claim any moral high ground at all.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"It wern't loike that wen I wrr getting my baps out... kids got to see my baps when dey was eating drr cornflakes... it wern't porn!"

...Please

She's bawling in the diary room because she knows damn well that it's not really any different at all, and that's an uncomfortable mirror to be presented with when you're older and wiser. When she said in all seriousness that what she did was "art". Page 3. Ffs.

I wasn't around when she was at the top of her 'work', however my family who were say she was pretty bad.
Also she did get into top shelf magazines too they say.

She has lost a lot of credibility really,she cannot now re-write her past no matter how much she would like to.

[Paula D]

Yeah, I think she's coming across as bit high and mighty considering where she came from. She can't sing either in fairness. That song was only a success cause it was called "touch Me". Let's face it.

[kirklancaster]

Are these views FOR REAL?

There is, and never has been, anything wrong with an attractive young adult female displaying her naked body - whether for 'art' or for 'money' - and there is nothing wrong with any adult male - of whatever age - enjoying the results.

However, there is, as Livia so rightly pointed out earlier, a huge gulf of difference in what Samantha Fox did with her 'naked body' in her heyday for money - and was willing to do - , and that which the dumb bimbo Chloe has done, and is doing with her 'naked body' for money.

Sam Fox appeared 'topless' and appeared in a few very mild 'bouncing boobs' so-called soft porn videos in her youth - akin to Barbara Windsor's antics in 'Carry On Camping - hardly shocking or 'Save The Children From This Horror' stuff.

And far from 'cashing in' on her 'topless' days for the remainder of her life, she has sought to get away from those elements of her past, even though there is NOTHING to be ashamed of, and even though they are nothing 'out of the ordinary when it comes to what other respectable actresses and models have done throughout history.

In addition, Sam Fox TURNED DOWN ludicrous amounts of filthy lucre to appear in fully blown, hard-core porn movies - REPEATEDLY.

Finally - apart from coming out as a 'Lesbian' - shock, horror, yeek! - Sam Fox has led a life FREE of any scandal.

Now compare that to the totally immoral, 'wanna be rich and famous at all costs and don't care what I have to do for it' Hard-Core porn star, sordid Web Cam proprietor, and Escort Hooker Chloe and DENY that there is a difference.

Finally; Sam Fox has done NOTHING to be ashamed of, but by what Code of Ethics or Law of Superiority, do we decree that a person's 'indiscretions', faux pas's , and questionable choices, made when young and far from fully mature, should preclude them from holding opinions on morality or any other issues, once that person has obeyed the Laws of Nature, and matured, acquired wisdom, and greater 'balance' and perception with 'Growing Older'?

FFS - NONE OF US would be qualified to pass an opinion if such was the case, and nor would ANY parent have the right to counsel and instruct their own children.

Yes, Chloe may 'mature', and acquire wisdom, and greater 'balance' and perception with growing older, but RIGHT NOW, she is young and immature, and totally immoral, and RIGHT NOW, Sam Fox has the wisdom, maturity, and balanced perception which being older brings, so she has ever right to speak her opinion.

In my opinion, of course.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Are these views FOR REAL?

There is, and never has been, anything wrong with an attractive young adult female displaying her naked body - whether for 'art' or for 'money' - and there is nothing wrong with any adult male - of whatever age - enjoying the results.

However, there is, as Livia so rightly pointed out earlier, a huge gulf of difference in what Samantha Fox did with her 'naked body' in her heyday for money - and was willing to do - , and that which the dumb bimbo Chloe has done, and is doing with her 'naked body' for money.

Sam Fox appeared 'topless' and appeared in a few very mild 'bouncing boobs' so-called soft porn videos in her youth - akin to Barbara Windsor's antics in 'Carry On Camping - hardly shocking or 'Save The Children From This Horror' stuff.

And far from 'cashing in' on her 'topless' days for the remainder of her life, she has sought to get away from those elements of her past, even though there is NOTHING to be ashamed of, and even though they are nothing 'out of the ordinary when it comes to what other respectable actresses and models have done throughout history.

In addition, Sam Fox TURNED DOWN ludicrous amounts of filthy lucre to appear in fully blown, hard-core porn movies - REPEATEDLY.

Finally - apart from coming out as a 'Lesbian' - shock, horror, yeek! - Sam Fox has led a life FREE of any scandal.

Now compare that to the totally immoral, 'wanna be rich and famous at all costs and don't care what I have to do for it' Hard-Core porn star, sordid Web Cam proprietor, and Escort Hooker Chloe and DENY that there is a difference.

Finally; Sam Fox has done NOTHING to be ashamed of, but by what Code of Ethics or Law of Superiority, do we decree that a person's 'indiscretions', faux pas's , and questionable choices, made when young and far from fully mature, should preclude them from holding opinions on morality or any other issues, once that person has obeyed the Laws of Nature, and matured, acquired wisdom, and greater 'balance' and perception with 'Growing Older'?

FFS - NONE OF US would be qualified to pass an opinion if such was the case, and nor would ANY parent have the right to counsel and instruct their own children.

Yes, Chloe may 'mature', and acquire wisdom, and greater 'balance' and perception with growing older, but RIGHT NOW, she is young and immature, and totally immoral, and RIGHT NOW, Sam Fox has the wisdom, maturity, and balanced perception which being older brings, so she has ever right to speak her opinion.

In my opinion, of course.

You forgot to mention Chloe left her child to pursue a career based on filth, she cant even put on fake tan without it looking dirty and she is a filthy skank

other than that...............

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

You forgot to mention Chloe left her child to pursue a career based on filth, she cant even put on fake tan without it looking dirty and she is a filthy skank

other than that...............

Thank you Miranda, and you are correct, I DID forget that.

[Samm]

I love Sam

[joeysteele]

Actually for me just thinking about his now as I wasn't there in the 80s,you can look across the board at all programming now and not just BB as to what goes onmore freely now.

However Sam Fox was one of the peopje,who started to bring nudity into 'general newspapers', for people to lust over and fantasise about.
Had she not done so, probably not but what is now acceptable may have not come to be.

No moral high ground can she take, I really like her and even like her songs from the late 80s too but she was for sure one who helped open the door generally to more suggestive behaviour and nudity, no matter how much she would love to now gloss over that fact.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"It wern't loike that wen I wrr getting my baps out... kids got to see my baps when dey was eating drr cornflakes... it wern't porn!"

...Please

She's bawling in the diary room because she knows damn well that it's not really any different at all, and that's an uncomfortable mirror to be presented with when you're older and wiser. When she said in all seriousness that what she did was "art". Page 3. Ffs.

You never heard of Boticelli?

Chloes tits look more like something Picasso would have painted, abstract, as in NOT REMOTELY REAL!

[Alf]

I remember a playground song from Primary School.

It was to the tune of Nena's, 99 Red Balloons, and went.

99 and 66
Samantha Fox has got big t***


Even us 7 and 8 year old's knew all about Sam Fox's assets.

We were a cultured bunch of youngsters.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

I remember a playground song from Primary School.

It was to the tune of Nena's, 99 Red Balloons, and went.

99 and 66
Samantha Fox has got big t***


Even us 7 and 8 year old's knew all about Sam Fox's assets.

We were a cultured bunch of youngsters.

You still are, Alfie.

And I've worked out your age LOL... you're 3-4 years older than me. A very good vintage if I may say....

[dyfed]

Whatever she was in the 80s she's a poor hm now..if anyone thinks Ricky is boring...look again at Sam,half the time you wouldn't know she was there..at least Ricky is eye candy and a nice guy,Sam is so miserable,she's flying under the radar !!