[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What brilliant observations.
In particular to Amanda and Wayne.

I've often thought do they,knowing her, avoid any talk around her of their own experiences.

On going in,Amanda was gushing as to her partner,from being around Ann,she seems never to have discussed their life at all.

So many points,as there are usually anyway,to digest and consider there in your post.

Superb post as ever.

They show around 45 minutes from 24 hours

Maggie said they didn't show her discussions

While these showmance take up so much airtime, is it any wonder Ann and Amanda's chats are not shown.

What was shown was Amanda's knocking back Shane Js attempts to make Ann look bad. She was adamant that he was wrong and strongly put him right. Amanda supported Ann totally and Jess as well.

I therefore do not know how you come to the conclusions you have.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

They show around 45 minutes from 24 hours

Maggie said they didn't show her discussions

While these showmance take up so much airtime, is it any wonder Ann and Amanda's chats are not shown.

What was shown was Amanda's knocking back Shane Js attempts to make Ann look bad. She was adamant that he was wrong and strongly put him right. Amanda supported Ann totally and Jess as well.

I therefore do not know how you come to the conclusions you have.

I actually said 'I thought' not that I had concluded.
It's an observation and the brilliant long post earlier from another member.
Brought the thought of why Amanda has not been seen engaging in any conversation on her life now,with or even around Ann.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’ve always found her very interesting in the house, despite her political views and how she hasn’t felt homosexuals are entitled to equal rights etc...but the last few days especially I just can’t get on board with her at all because yes, she has displayed what would be ‘homophobia’...I won’t look at your dictionary definitions, NM.....when she said that ShaneJ was ‘disgusting’ for saying he and Andrew were in love or something, that maybe was open to some interpretation of whether she wasn’t being serious..he was teasing her so maybe she was teasing back...?...but when her reasons for nomination were ‘for obscene dramatic behaviour’, which I think is what she said...then that nomination was serious with no doubt, so for me nothing could be interpreted any other which way...in your dictionary there, NM...you’ll see some of the definitions for ‘obscene’ are depraved, amoral, degenerate, salacious and filthy......those definitions are for the word she used to describe two guys having a bit of rough and tumble play fighting and fully clothed..without anything sexual involved at all..(..and for sure Ann knows her words and knew exactly which word described her thoughts, which she verbalised..)..I can’t really see how that can not be anything other than an aversion to their fun fight because I would say the hugs etc that she and Amanda and Jess etc have shared while in the house are a more intimate display than play fighting is...hugs are quite an intimate thing but she has no objection to those...


...I’m not really on board with ‘she’s best friends with Amanda’ either because ...(..and we can only look at these things by what we see in highlights...)...I’ve never seen where she has shown any interest in Amanda in terms of her partner or talk to her about her coming out with her sexuality much later in life...actually I’ve never seen her ask anything of Wayne either in terms of his sexuality as he was born in a time he would have been greatly affected with society views...they have both spoke about some things, I know...but I haven’t seen Ann actually ask or show any interest or be any active participant in those chats...and surely you would do that of a ‘best friend’...

However all the things/situations you mention other than maybe her voting record during her career in parliament are up for interpretation.
If you’re coming at it from an ‘Anns a nasty homophobe’ perspective then that is undoubtedly how you will perceive anything negative she says.Same goes if you’re in the other camp.
If she was homophobic she would hate the gay people in there.Amanda’s sexuality would be a problem for her.Imo her not asking about Amanda’s relationship doesn’t prove anything.She may not feel it’s her business or just not want to know.Relationships and love are a touchy subject for Ann aswell as having kids.She also never seems to pry into people’s personal life regarding that as far as i’ve seen.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

However all the things/situations you mention other than maybe her voting record during her career in parliament are up for interpretation.
If you’re coming at it from an ‘Anns a nasty homophobe’ perspective then that is undoubtedly how you will perceive anything negative she says.Same goes if you’re in the other camp.
If she was homophobic she would hate the gay people in there.Amanda’s sexuality would be a problem for her.Imo her not asking about Amanda’s relationship doesn’t prove anything.She may not feel it’s her business or just not want to know.Relationships and love are a touchy subject for Ann aswell as having kids.She also never seems to pry into people’s personal life regarding that as far as i’ve seen.

...of course, NM...in terms of characters traits in housemates, these will always be from the perspectives of those observing in that environment...but the ‘Ann’s a nasty homophobe’ or the ‘other camp’ as you say would indicate only two camps of perspectives, which I don’t believe there only is...there is lots of acres of land between those camps and also all around them.....so many perspectives, rather than it just being one or the other and nothing inbetween...hmmm but if there were only two camps of thought/perspective..?...then you would be ‘the other’, I know this because you have posed the question of whether Ann has showed homophobia traits in the house and said you didn’t think she had...so with those thoughts of you feeling that she hadn’t, wouldn’t your perspective probably be that you would ‘see’ a reason for certain aspects of her so that it all sat right with you...oh no, it couldn’t be that because if it was how could she tolerate this or feel comfortable with that and there has been no ‘hate’ so how can that be, she can’t have those traits, there are other reasons and etc, is how our thoughts work, isn’t it....?...My perspective wouldn’t be ‘she’s a nasty homophobe’ because I don’t think she is...there are many aspects to a person’s character and who they are which is why I dislike labels so much because one character trait doesn’t entirely define a whole person...she’s not nasty and I wouldn’t label her a homophobe but that can still mean she has indeed displayed homophobia traits...because there really aren’t only two camps of it having to be one completely or the other completely...

...hmmm no I don’t think Ann ‘hates’ either, she doesn’t seem at all like a ‘hating’ person to me...but then hate would be an extreme of a camp and having a character trait isn’t an extreme, is it... we all have traits and one of those with Ann, I feel would be classed as a homophobic trait...again though, another housemate’s sexuality isn’t their whole person and everything they are, which is why Ann can still be fine with other aspects to them in the house...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...of course, NM...in terms of characters traits in housemates, these will always be from the perspectives of those observing in that environment...but the ‘Ann’s a nasty homophobe’ or the ‘other camp’ as you say would indicate only two camps of perspectives, which I don’t believe there only is...there is lots of acres of land between those camps and also all around them.....so many perspectives, rather than it just being one or the other and nothing inbetween...hmmm but if there were only two camps of thought/perspective..?...then you would be ‘the other’, I know this because you have posed the question of whether Ann has showed homophobia traits in the house and said you didn’t think she had...so with those thoughts of you feeling that she hadn’t, wouldn’t your perspective probably be that you would ‘see’ a reason for certain aspects of her so that it all sat right with you...oh no, it couldn’t be that because if it was how could she tolerate this or feel comfortable with that and there has been no ‘hate’ so how can that be, she can’t have those traits, there are other reasons and etc, is how our thoughts work, isn’t it....?...My perspective wouldn’t be ‘she’s a nasty homophobe’ because I don’t think she is...there are many aspects to a person’s character and who they are which is why I dislike labels so much because one character trait doesn’t entirely define a whole person...she’s not nasty and I wouldn’t label her a homophobe but that can still mean she has indeed displayed homophobia traits...because there really aren’t only two camps of it having to be one completely or the other completely...

...hmmm no I don’t think Ann ‘hates’ either, she doesn’t seem at all like a ‘hating’ person to me...but then hate would be an extreme of a camp and having a character trait isn’t an extreme, is it... we all have traits and one of those with Ann, I feel would be classed as a homophobic trait...again though, another housemate’s sexuality isn’t their whole person and everything they are, which is why Ann can still be fine with other aspects to them in the house...

I actually pretty much agree with amost all of your post.I made a similar post in another thread about the best or right answer usually being somewhere in the middle ground.The opinions on here in ‘on’ season are usually very tribalistic and biased and i know i’ve been guilty of that too

So i think our only disagreement would probably be as to what the threshold is as to what constitutes homophobia.

I just don’t immediately jump to that whenever Ann says something negative about somebody who happens to be gay or when she’s annoyed with certain behaviour.
Other people see it differently.
I think for me to believe she is homophobic it would take something more blatant and out of the grey area.Or what proof do we have?

[Marsh.]

Not to mention he was kind of right. Jade and her family were trash.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not to mention he was kind of right. Jade and her family were trash.

LOL very wise to leave out the 'white' there lol or it would have been a racial slur which was what was said

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

LOL very wise to leave out the 'white' there lol or it would have been a racial slur which was what was said

I said he was kind of right. Trash, white trash. They were.

I draw the line at it being "racist". You need to brush up on your history love.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I said he was kind of right. Trash, white trash. They were.

I draw the line at it being "racist". You need to brush up on your history love.

I read it thanks i just meant the quote i said was jermaine calling them 'white trash' when you quoted you said he was right they are trash.. i was kidding that you had left off 'white' that is all.. no history lesson needed... simple misunderstanding..

[Lilac hills]

She has very appalling views but in the house she’s shown no signs of homophobia

Being disgusted Shane j and Andrew isn’t homophobia, it’s clalled having a functioning bran to see past the bs

[joeysteele]

I say yes she has demonstrated an unhealthy intolerance.
Taking aside her anti gay rights record from her determined action voting against all.

In the house,her disapproval of most of what Shane and Andrew had,whatever it was.

Yes,she comes from a different age,has religious beliefs,usually described as crackpot ideas on here when it suits.
That does not and should not excuse the intolerance.

I say yes she has shown to be homophobic.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes,she comes from a different age,has religious beliefs,usually described as crackpot ideas on here when it suits.
That does not and should not excuse the intolerance.

A very good observation joey.

I, too, have been amused at the number of posters who normally take glee on ridiculing religion and any notion of it now using it as a means to seriously defend Ann.

It's baffling to say the least.

[Jay.]

no, i don't think she's homophobic. but she's clearly against gay rights.. which is not considered a common ideology in today's modern society. she's behind the times, not entirely homophobic, but bloody borderline.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is baffling is that some on here got owned last night by Rylan

yes Rylan

but are still posting their anti-Ann political stuff


truly baffling

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what is baffling is that some on here got owned last night by Rylan

yes Rylan

but are still posting their anti-Ann political stuff


truly baffling

They don't like it up em, Mr Mainwaring

[Marsh.]

Imagine taking Rylan seriously.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Imagine taking Rylan seriously.

...Nope I tried but just couldn’t imagine that, Marsh ......




...(I stole your fan babes..)......

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Nope I tried but just couldn’t imagine that, Marsh ......




...(I stole your fan babes..)......

Ammi knows

[caprimint]

Her "that's disgusting" comment to Shane & Andrew did suggest this tbh

[Denver]

She doesnt hate gay people but hates the sexual acts

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

She doesnt hate gay people but hates the sexual acts

[poppsywoppsy]

The one word she said about Meghan Markle was trouble.

I think she could be trouble too, not for the racist angle before you all jump up and down

It will be because of the closed shop attitudes of the aristocracy. The Marquis of Baths sons beautiful wife who is of mixed race has come up against this already.

Look how they treated Diana, who was not of mixed race and doors will not be open to Meghan by these dinosaurs.

I feel there will be trouble ahead for Meghan, their antiquated views will be ingrained and she will need Harry to guide her through unlike Charles who threw Diana to the wolves.

Those who beat Ann with yet another stick, have you thought about this angle before you charge her with another crime she is not guilty of.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

The one word she said about Meghan Markle was trouble.

I think she could be trouble too, not for the racist angle before you all jump up and down

It will be because of the closed shop attitudes of the aristocracy. The Marquis of Baths sons beautiful wife who is of mixed race has come up against this already.

Look how they treated Diana, who was not of mixed race and doors will not be open to Meghan by these dinosaurs.

I feel there will be trouble ahead for Meghan, their antiquated views will be ingrained and she will need Harry to guide her through unlike Charles who threw Diana to the wolves.

Those who beat Ann with yet another stick, have you thought about this angle before you charge her with another crime she is not guilty of.

Yeah I thought this too
And Diana was treated like dirt, considering she was the perfect English rose. So Megan definitely has her work cut out with the royal family .

But only time will tell .