[user104658]

It's really hard to get your head around when the person then shoots themself - as is often what happens. How do families of the victims you get closure on that? What do you do with that? All so pointless and meaningless, and it's just over, you just have to deal with it and move on because there's no justice to be had. Sickening.

[arista]

Live on all Media
Police Chief - Plymouth


Jake Davidson,22
used his pump action shotgun
he killed 5
and himself.


Left 2 people Injured in hospital.

[bots]

one of the victims was a very young girl .... i just can't comprehend how someone could do that

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

one of the victims was a very young girl .... i just can't comprehend how someone could do that

He was out of his mind.

[Ninastar]

What a ****. Glad he’s dead. I think all shooters/terrorists should just be killed on site rather than sending them to jail where they get the glory and fame they want

[arista]

One of them
Women he killed, he knew her.




He had a registered
fire arm.
To be confirmed which gun that was.


2 others are Injured
in Hospital now

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

One of them
Women he killed, he knew her.




He had a registered
fire arm.
To be confirmed which gun that was.


2 others are Injured
in Hospital now

Guessing it might be his Mum maybe

[joeysteele]

Just so tragic.
It's sickening anyone loses life like this unnecessarily however a child too.

Really awful, heartbreaking.

[Cherie]

as the details of this are emerging it is so shocking people will be left scarred for life after what they witnessed, endured and heard.

[arista]

The Child he killed
was a 3 year old girl,

Just Confirmed on the news


The 2 Women were aged 51 & 56

The 2 Men were aged 43 & 59

[Shaun]

Vermin. I can't really describe how angry and sickened I am by this...

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well you know the world is going bonkers when Plymouth is having a terrorist attack.

Imo shooting five people at random is a terrorist attack, whether it's ISIS related or not.

No, not necessairly.

Terrorism is normally political. This could have been mental health related.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And this will still be deemed "not terrorism". The world needs to wake up and realise that attacks by these people are increasing, and are ABSOLUTELY terrorism.

These men are radicalised online, full to the brim with hatred (mostly for women, but also for anyone who isn't "one of them", as with any other terrorism) and commit horrific acts of violence. It's not "not terrorism" just because it's in the name of 4chan and not some deity or other.

Incorrect, in my opinion.

Yes, attacks are increasing. It's not mostly against women. It's mostly against those who do not follow certain ideology regardless of sex..... ie religion based. FGM and religion based where the men are superior and women are just a commidity, yes, but in regards to terrorism I don't think you can say it's mainly women.

When a guy drove into people on the london bridge, he was aiming for people, not just women.

When Lee Rigby was slatered on our streets etc etc

Yes, online radicalism is huge. The people they recruit are vunerable themselves.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No, not necessairly.

Terrorism is normally political. This could have been mental health related.



Incorrect, in my opinion.

Yes, attacks are increasing. It's not mostly against women. It's mostly against those who do not follow certain ideology regardless of sex..... ie religion based. FGM and religion based where the men are superior and women are just a commidity, yes, but in regards to terrorism I don't think you can say it's mainly women.

When a guy drove into people on the london bridge, he was aiming for people, not just women.

When Lee Rigby was slatered on our streets etc etc

Yes, online radicalism is huge. The people they recruit are vunerable themselves.

As usual, you have literally no idea what you’re talking about, but on this occasion I can’t be bothered going too far into it. The PUA/MRA/Incel movements are no different to radical Islam or racial extremism, they do target women, repeatedly, it has been a growing problem for decades and this is 100% terrorism.

Just because it’s not a subsection of radicalised behaviour you were previously aware of doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You would do well to actually read up on it, instead of dismissing it out of hand, because you aren’t aware of the issues women face.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As usual, you have literally no idea what you’re talking about, but on this occasion I can’t be bothered going too far into it. The PUA/MRA/Incel movements are no different to radical Islam or racial extremism, they do target women, repeatedly, it has been a growing problem for decades and this is 100% terrorism.

Just because it’s not a subsection of radicalised behaviour you were previously aware of doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You would do well to actually read up on it, instead of dismissing it out of hand, because you aren’t aware of the issues women face.

How many times a year do you and Dezzy come out with the line "You have no idea what you're talking about"

It's quite a few.

Why is it that you and Dezzy know everything about everything and you always like to remind us that you know things and nobody else does?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

How many times a year do you and Dezzy come out with the line "You have no idea what you're talking about"

It's quite a few.

Why is it that you and Dezzy know everything about everything and you always like to remind us that you know things and nobody else does?

He didn't even know the word "incel", Alf, and repeatedly said "intel". He had no idea what he was talking about.

[caprimint]

Disgusting and shocking crime. His mental health was obviously a complete mess judging by everything he said on Youtube

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No, not necessairly.

Terrorism is normally political. This could have been mental health related.



Incorrect, in my opinion.

Yes, attacks are increasing. It's not mostly against women. It's mostly against those who do not follow certain ideology regardless of sex..... ie religion based. FGM and religion based where the men are superior and women are just a commidity, yes, but in regards to terrorism I don't think you can say it's mainly women.

When a guy drove into people on the london bridge, he was aiming for people, not just women.

When Lee Rigby was slatered on our streets etc etc

Yes, online radicalism is huge. The people they recruit are vunerable themselves.

I agree with all this

[bots]

The mother of the Plymouth gunman, Maxine Davison, and three-year-old Sophie Martyn have been named among the five victims of his shooting spree.

Ms Davison, 50, was shot and killed by her 22-year-old son Jake Davison at her home on Biddick Drive, Plymouth, on Thursday evening.

Davison went on to kill three-year-old Sophie, her father Lee Martyn, Stephen Washington and Kate Shepherd.

His attack lasted about six minutes before he turned the gun on himself.

In online videos Davison spoke of being "beaten down" and "defeated by life".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58206101

[ThomasC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND9oW0VTIT4

This is mental health.

Psychosis and delusions of grandeur.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND9oW0VTIT4

This is mental health.

Psychosis and delusions of grandeur.

In that video he started off making a parallel about his struggle and that of humanity against the robots in terminator but ended by saying he imagined he was a terminator fighting to end humanity

the veil slipped

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In that video he started off making a parallel about his struggle and that of humanity against the robots in terminator but ended by saying he imagined he was a terminator fighting to end humanity

the veil slipped

Well his thought process was very distorted.

It's an extreme case of mental health gone very wrong.

He acted out on his thoughts.

It's a tragedy for all involved.

[bots]

i don't understand people need to say ... nope that wasn't terrorism ... because, i'm sorry but it was an act of terror under any sensible definition. People wanting to classify it otherwise can precede it with political or religious if it fits better, but it's still an act of terror

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't understand people need to say ... nope that wasn't terrorism ... because, i'm sorry but it was an act of terror under any sensible definition. People wanting to classify it otherwise can preceed it with political or religeous if it fits better, but it's still an act of terror

Well that's your opinion, but we have PACE and the criminal prosecution service for a reason and they would not be convicted of a terrorist related offence unless it was political.

Even the media and police have said this is not terrorist related.

Just because something causes 'terror' does not make it terrorism.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

In that video he started off making a parallel about his struggle and that of humanity against the robots in terminator but ended by saying he imagined he was a terminator fighting to end humanity

the veil slipped

How the hell did this killer have a gun licence ?

[arista]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

How the hell did this killer have a gun licence ?

Maybe 2 years back
he was a normal bloke

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

Maybe 2 years back
he was a normal bloke

Don't we all think the police are keeping a keen watch on people with gun licences ? esp if they show any signs of mental illness ~ this could have been stopped ~ no ones doing the checks obv.