[Swan]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

I think what is defended is their way of life with nataurism being their way of life. I think that's how it fits into the pride category. In the sense of being able to be them and try to remove barriers of adversity

I spent some time with some hippies in Australia. I stayed at her house in a teepee in her garden whilst I was picking fruit.....they'd all painted this teepee on one of their naked retreats....bit mad, but lovely lady....it's a way of life for them

Do you not agree that it's becoming over sexualised in what is promoted as being a 'family friendly environment' though?

It's hard to remember what we'd think as kids being adults now, but im sure seeing a man in a bunny mask walking down the street with his knob out would just frighten kids. It's becoming less about liberation and 'pride' and more about 'sticking it to the man' imo. And the problem is any criticism for the most part is met with cries of homophobia, which isn't the case at all.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Swan

Do you not agree that it's becoming over sexualised in what is promoted as being a 'family friendly environment' though?

It's hard to remember what we'd think as kids being adults now, but im sure seeing a man in a bunny mask walking down the street with his knob out would just frighten kids. It's becoming less about liberation and 'pride' and more about 'sticking it to the man' imo. And the problem is any criticism for the most part is met with cries of homophobia, which isn't the case at all.

Yeah I can't disagree.

The actual meaning of pride is lost, like I say I think it's an excuse for some to just wear outrageous outfits, often for attention and to try get laid. They couldn't care less about the actual meaning of it...it's just a big shag fest party

[The Slim Reaper]

I thought Alf had made a thread about his favourite U2 song

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Yeah I can't disagree.

The actual meaning of pride is lost, like I say I think it's an excuse for some to just wear outrageous outfits, often for attention and to try get laid. They couldn't care less about the actual meaning of it...it's just a big shag fest party

That's quite sad isn't it?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Yeah I can't disagree.

The actual meaning of pride is lost, like I say I think it's an excuse for some to just wear outrageous outfits, often for attention and to try get laid. They couldn't care less about the actual meaning of it...it's just a big shag fest party

And the thing is, there is nothing wrong with all the above, as long as it's done away from kids and not on public streets, there'd be no issue. But when that kind of thing is promoted as family friendly, and kids are being exposed to sex, suggestiveness (in a very real form) that's when Pride starts to lose all credibility imo. You have to ask what the ultimate goal is now, what is Pride trying to achieve?!

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's quite sad isn't it?

Yes and no. If you're out to have fun then I see no problem as long as it's not hurting anyone else. I imagine pride means more to older generations who have had to fight more for equality. The meaning of it is often lost. The real meaning is an acceptance and to be able to live without persecution for loving someone of the same sex.

Originally Posted by Swan

And the thing is, there is nothing wrong with all the above, as long as it's done away from kids and not on public streets, there'd be no issue. But when that kind of thing is promoted as family friendly, and kids are being exposed to sex, suggestiveness (in a very real form) that's when Pride starts to lose all credibility imo. You have to ask what the ultimate goal is now, what is Pride trying to achieve?!

Suggestive sex and nudism are completely different imo...but I don't think either belong in pride marches or pride events.

As for children attending, of course they should. This is where real change happens. Out with the old and in with the new. Newer generations should be taught to be open minded and treat people with respect. It's older generations who are often behind the times and homophobia is steeped in beliefs passed on through parents and generations.....and religion.

[ThomasC]

It's not about getting naked in front of kids....that's not the objective.

Nataurism is a way of life.... Can actually help with body confidence.

Do I find it necessary? No.... Do I find it appropriate?.... hmmmm, not really but I'm conflicted.... Is it damaging? Depends to the degree, but I don't really think so...

Most just don't want to see it though.

Big difference to just randomly deciding to take your clothes off though with the intent to cause alarm and distress.

[user104658]

It's being entirely hijacked, and many of the people who will ultimately be worst affected by this hijacking are giving their blessing - often on the sidelines clapping feverishly - in the name of unquestioning inclusion. Because of the historical context, I do understand why many people find it challenging to draw a line, but it's sad and ultimately worrying. The bubble will burst.

[Alf]

The authorities that the public pay for are encouraging this by not dealing with it.

It should be dealt with in the same way they'd deal with a streaker at a sporting event. The streaker is chased until caught and taken away.

[arista]

Yes Alf
this Pride should say NO Children,

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Alf
this Pride should say NO Children,

But lots of gay couples have children so why should they be excluded

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But lots of gay couples have children so why should they be excluded

Yes but it is Nowdays Adults Only

They are Sluts in Parade


The Children,
can stay with someone who is not
going

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but it is Nowdays Adults Only

They are Sluts in Parade


The Children,
can stay with someone who is not
going

You can't have an adults only rule for something that goes through Public main streets and cities

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You can't have an adults only rule for something that goes through Public main streets and cities

Things change all the time,


If I was in charge of a City

I would put up signs telling all children to return home


Gay Sluts on the Street
is not suitable for under 16 year olds

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but it is Nowdays Adults Only

They are Sluts in Parade


The Children,
can stay with someone who is not
going

Do you ever post something that isn't robotic nonsense and has some content to it? I like you, but you don't half talk some bollox.

[arista]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Do you ever post something that isn't robotic nonsense and has some content to it? I like you, but you don't half talk some bollox.

I like You TC


But under
16 year olds do not need Gay Sluts Performing
in front of them


Sign Of The Times

[Oliver_W]

There are some real creeps who actually want to encourage "kink"' at supposedly family friendly Pride events...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Give me an Orange Walk any day

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Give me an Orange Walk any day

Plenty of old men with their cocks out at those too, let's face it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Give me an Orange Walk any day

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Give me an Orange Walk any day

Top Adult Film


Got Banned, but now on BluRay.


Well worth watching
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)


[During the filming of the Ludovico technique scene,
McDowell scratched a cornea
and was temporarily blinded.
The doctor standing next to him
in the scene, dropping saline
solution into Alex's forced-open eyes,
was a real physician present]

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Oliver_W]

I guess Pride would be more constructive if held in the hellholes that need to catch up with the modern world. Holding the parades over here does nothing for the gays being thrown off roofs or, as you say, being imprisoned, or having their genitals removed like in Iran...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I guess Pride would be more constructive if held in the hellholes that need to catch up with the modern world. Holding the parades over here does nothing for the gays being thrown off roofs or, as you say, being imprisoned, or having their genitals removed like in Iran...

There are unfortunately places in the world where it would still be an absolute bloodbath (parts of the Middle East and Africa). There are however some places still in the "middle" that I think are still where the UK/US etc were decades ago, good example would be a lot of eastern European EU members where homosexuality is now legally accepted (because of compliance with various EU laws) but still not widely accepted socially in any overt sense.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There are unfortunately places in the world where it would still be an absolute bloodbath (parts of the Middle East and Africa). There are however some places still in the "middle" that I think are still where the UK/US etc were decades ago, good example would be a lot of eastern European EU members where homosexuality is now legally accepted (because of compliance with various EU laws) but still not widely accepted socially in any overt sense.

Well yeah, even back when homosexuality wasn't widely accepted in the West, people in a Pride parade would never really be putting their lives at risk. But the places that REALLY need it ... as you say, it would be a bloodbath.

But I agree there should be a greater Pride presence in certain European countries - they're not beyond help, marchers wouldn't be killed, acceptance is probably within reach.
BUT there shouldn't be the kind of displays which go on in the parades here and in America. Way to go guys, reinforcing every bad gay stereotype. That'll win people over!!