[Niamh.]

They say "separated by sex" in the first paragraph highlighted but then say a self reported "gender Identity" can over ride that so what's even the point in separating the Locker rooms by sex at all in that case? It's so wildly inappropriate and dangerous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They say "separated by sex" in the first paragraph highlighted but then say a self reported "gender Identity" can over ride that so what's even the point in separating the Locker rooms by sex at all in that case? It's so wildly inappropriate and dangerous.

Sadly its all based on fear of who will sue/shout the loudest and damage their ability to make money

not obviously about body dysmorphia or protecting people

[Ninastar]

So this is a really complicated thing and I can understand all views.

I think planet fitness is wrong for firing the woman who reported the ‘trans woman’ in the bathroom.

We need sex based changing rooms for a reason. I remember saying this on here years ago and I was told how awful I was etc etc. but I don’t care lol

As someone if the lgbt community, I believe that everyone should feel safe enough to go to the bathroom and not be harassed

Of course this includes (actual) trans women. I think there should be a ‘family/gender friendly’ bathroom which is private and anyone can change there if needs be.

However!!

Do I think it’s actual trans women who are trying to use women’s bathrooms and expose themselves?

No, I actually think that most of the time it’s just a creepy cis man trying to get a look at naked women.

I think that they (cis men) who are doing this know they can take advantage of the system and they are ruining it for genuine trans women.

I don’t know a single woman (cis or trans) that would just start shaving in public. It’s just not something you do. I also don’t know any trans women that would go out and purposefully ‘expose’ themselves in a women’s restroom. Most would go and change in a bathroom stall and then just leave…

So now the issue is that there are without a doubt a number of men who are using ‘trans woman!!’ as an excuse to be perverts.

And the only people who really suffer from all of this are cis/genuine trans women.

It’s just crazy that something as simple as getting changed or going to the bathroom has become such a politics point that people are losing friendships/jobs etc just because of a damn opinion

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Do I think it’s actual trans women who are trying to use women’s bathrooms and expose themselves?

No, I actually think that most of the time it’s just a creepy cis man trying to get a look at naked women.

I think that they (cis men) who are doing this know they can take advantage of the system and they are ruining it for genuine trans women.

I think this is accurate but also, unfortunately, without sensible safeguarding and controls it just doesn't matter. In a world where one is not able to call out the difference between genuine and not and it's seen as a terrible judgement to do so... it doesn't functionally matter if they're genuine or not. They're allowed to be there because self-ID is a thing so there's no way to immediately differentiate.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I think this is accurate but also, unfortunately, without sensible safeguarding and controls it just doesn't matter. In a world where one is not able to call out the difference between genuine and not and it's seen as a terrible judgement to do so... it doesn't functionally matter if they're genuine or not. They're allowed to be there because self-ID is a thing so there's no way to immediately differentiate.

Exactly. The only way to keep the bad men out is to ban all men otherwise (as is the case now) women don't even have the ability to raise concerns or objections, a guy can go in there as we see here literally shaving his beard in the sink and a woman gets banned for pointing out he shouldn't be in there. It's crazy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly. The only way to keep the bad men out is to ban all men otherwise (as is the case now) women don't even have the ability to raise concerns or objections, a guy can go in there as we see here literally shaving his beard in the sink and a woman gets banned for pointing out he shouldn't be in there. It's crazy.

She got banned for trying to safeguard a child, a 12 year old who was there at the time....its actually nuts, and a bit Emperor New Clothes ..ish.....no I cant see anything wrong with a man who says he identifies as a woman shaving in a womans changing room with a child who he is not related to present...because after all he is wearing tights and a skirt so that is the end of it..NUTs

[Ninastar]

Yep I agree with that

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Natalie Pershall, a man dressed as a woman was just sentenced to 6
years probation, 87 days in jail, and must register as a sex offender for taking
pictures of females in the women's bathroom of his company's office.


This is what happens when you have "inclusive" bathroom policies."



https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/17...282139712?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just dont get why any self-respecting adult would think "I don't care if women and children feel scared all that matters is my feelings and my wants"

who are these people?

[Niamh.]

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's mental. And people who allow this, pander to and defend these crazy individuals need to take a long hard look at themselves. It needs to stop being a political argument, it should start coming down to common sense, which is rapidly evaporating.

[user104658]

It should be properly risk-assessed and considered amongst safeguarding, mental health and gender-based violence specialists and proper safeguarding decisions made.

The Public en-masse doesn't have a clue what they're talking about and are completely at the whims of social movements and propaganda.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It should be properly risk-assessed and considered amongst safeguarding, mental health and gender-based violence specialists and proper safeguarding decisions made.

The Public en-masse doesn't have a clue what they're talking about and are completely at the whims of social movements and propaganda.

Exactly.

[UserSince2005]

What pervert takes pictures of a beautiful woman as she is in the bathroom. Disgusting.