[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bots

they are all playing a game, they are all game players. The question should be ..... do you like "insert hm name"'s game play. For me, the answer is yes for Richard, yes for Elsa and Cam and then absolutely not for many of the others

Yes exactly

[Ammi]

…hmmmm, maybe he is very measured, I get that…what’s that quote/poem though…If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs…
…etc…

…in terms of BB and house behaviour/actions and reactions, that’s quite the rare bird, I feel…so in terms of being presented with a character, I like that character…and for probably multiple reasons…his character has shown a balance that hasn’t aimed any mean spirited words against others…he has such a more quietly understated way that he doesn’t ‘command’ airtime so he doesn’t know how any ‘contriving’ would be perceived …maybe positively/maybe not so much and being older, he maybe feels such a disadvantage in terms of being ‘fan base material’…and yet he hasn’t wavered or adjusted in steering that Richard ship in always seeming to remain who he is…I mean…dull, to sit there with his bible, yes and to not join in so much with some of the frolicking and fun making …and general craziness or whatever…all of those things that can give a housemate airtime and headline time …so that’s a very risky business to be that person …and that’s a very rare housemate who is able to achieve that and without pulling others down to boost his own self…

…for me, he has all of that quirkiness of back in the day BB housemates that has so been lost in time …and I have found him entertaining/…again in a very quiet and Richard way that I’ve found very refreshing…I’m not in any way falling for Richardness/I like his Richardness…it’s for me, been a pretty all in all poor season but Richard has been one of the gems that have shone….

[Benjamin]

Ray and Vesuvius the Richard and Caroline of the forum.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Ray and Vesuvius the Richard and Caroline of the forum.

…Ray was sat there with his bible/explaining it all to me as well….that was very inconvenient to have to have the wait to know the outcome of it all…

[Beso]

He just didnt want to be seen on tv shredding a young ladies letter from home, so kicked up a pathetic fuss after joyfully saying how willing he was to accept the role of bad brothers assistant. Yes had no issue acting mean until it came to him being on camera shredding a letter.

Cowardly cop out..

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Ray and Vesuvius the Richard and Caroline of the forum.

Originally Posted by Ammi

…Ray was sat there with his bible/explaining it all to me as well….that was very inconvenient to have to have the wait to know the outcome of it all…

So we're all agreed that I should win this series of Big Brother?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ray.

So we're all agreed that I should win this series of Big Brother?

…I’m not sure actually, I’m going to have to check in with Caroline and get her guidance but I will get back to you with her thoughts…

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m not sure actually, I’m going to have to check in with Caroline and get her guidance but I will get back to you with her thoughts…

Is that right?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Is that right?

…..I’m pretty sure that move wasn’t in the bible…you demonic FRAUD…!!!!!!!!…


…..

[ebandit]

....................i don't think HM's or viewers have ever seen the 'real' richard......................richard may have confused himself what that is over the years..

Mark L

[jones89]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Everything he says is measured, contrived and put on for the watcher...

This whole 'normal boring nice guy' thing is put out to play you.. You can see that, right?


"I have to tell you that I am not very good at being bad.." yeah yeah, fgs, we hear you Richard, stop pushing that so hard. We get it, you want us to think that you are above this and you are dull.

Yeah i have to agree. When he said that.. my eyes nearly rolled back into my brain.. like how many times does he have to remind us.. he doesn’t like to break rules or be “evil” even for a TASK

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Crikey.. Really?

Hadn't watched last night's ep before writing this post Maybe Caroline is actually right about him

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Ray and Vesuvius the Richard and Caroline of the forum.

In my defense, I never go after him, he always comes at me! It feels a bit obsessive really

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Hadn't watched last night's ep before writing this post Maybe Caroline is actually right about him

Yeah, I actually think Richard has been getting an incredibly kind edit up until now. She has seen through him and now others are as well.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by jones89

Yeah i have to agree. When he said that.. my eyes nearly rolled back into my brain.. like how many times does he have to remind us.. he doesn’t like to break rules or be “evil” even for a TASK

It's all so very performative and constructed.

The guy is very clever and has a particular type of devious mind (as needed to write mysteries and whodunits really)...

I am not sure why so many people watching are taking him at face value at all.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get what you're trying to say Vesavius.

But my counter point to you is that he is up against Zelah and Farida.

Which is fair, yeah.

Of the three though, none of who I like, I would probably want Farida to stay... We shall see.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by bots

they are all playing a game, they are all game players. The question should be ..... do you like "insert hm name"'s game play. For me, the answer is yes for Richard, yes for Elsa and Cam and then absolutely not for many of the others

I agree with this 100%

They are all playing a game, agreed, and it simply comes down to if you like the type of game they are playing.

Caroline is playing the house, Richard is playing the audience.

I much prefer the first to the second. In fact, I actively dislike the second.. Manipulating the audience by lying about who you are from behind a fake persona is really not what BB is about to me.

This is why I much prefer a longer season.. It's much harder to maintain that as it goes on (as we see with Richard slipping up more and more). It can still be done (see Aaron winning), but it's much harder.

[Katmieow]

Richard is genuine and he's my winner.

[Ammi]

…I do agree that its all down to what we personally feel is a ‘gameplan’ …there is so much about Caroline that I’ve liked throughout and I would like to see her in the final… but I think that she’s become quite obsessed with Richard because she just can’t understand the respect/affection that he has in the house as she doesn’t see him as a ‘fun’ person and actually thinks of him as quite boring…well, very boring…it was so clear to see her annoyance/frustration and anger, even when questioning Tate about why he spends time talking to Richard/almost inferring that time talking to Richard is ‘wasted’ as opposed to having ‘fun time’ as Caroline sees it…when Tate said that it’s because Richard knows the bible so if he wants to question or chat about the bible/then Richard is his go to guy…Caroline’s reaction actually shows huge contempt when she says that Richard’s no bible expert, he’s a music teacher who reads the bible because he’s got no life…that’s so many levels of ‘mean’ for me…because that goes beyond the BB house and any personal clash they may have in the house …that’s referring to his life outside of the house, that she has no knowledge of…and it’s also the questioning of someone who is spending time with Richard/Tate…so would she like to see Richard isolated in the house and Tate spend no time chatting…?…

…I understand that she finds it difficult to understand Richard and to understand the respect/affection that he’s held in by some…but she’s showing a real spite and intolerance of that, that seems to be engrossing her…

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I do agree that its all down to what we personally feel is a ‘gameplan’ …there is so much about Caroline that I’ve liked throughout and I would like to see her in the final… but I think that she’s become quite obsessed with Richard because she just can’t understand the respect/affection that he has in the house as she doesn’t see him as a ‘fun’ person and actually thinks of him as quite boring…well, very boring…it was so clear to see her annoyance/frustration and anger, even when questioning Tate about why he spends time talking to Richard/almost inferring that time talking to Richard is ‘wasted’ as opposed to having ‘fun time’ as Caroline sees it…when Tate said that it’s because Richard knows the bible so if he wants to question or chat about the bible/then Richard is his go to guy…Caroline’s reaction actually shows huge contempt when she says that Richard’s no bible expert, he’s a music teacher who reads the bible because he’s got no life…that’s so many levels of ‘mean’ for me…because that goes beyond the BB house and any personal clash they may have in the house …that’s referring to his life outside of the house, that she has no knowledge of…and it’s also the questioning of someone who is spending time with Richard/Tate…so would she like to see Richard isolated in the house and Tate spend no time chatting…?…

…I understand that she finds it difficult to understand Richard and to understand the respect/affection that he’s held in by some…but she’s showing a real spite and intolerance of that, that seems to be engrossing her…

On the other side of that, with no Caroline in there Richard would not even have been noticed this season.

She has defined him.

Without her creating this rivalry I am confident that we all would be happily calling him dead wood. He is really only supported for the most part because Carol is so dislikeable.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by vesavius

On the other side of that, with no Caroline in there Richard would not even have been noticed this season.

She has defined him.

Without her creating this rivalry I am confident that we all would be happily calling him dead wood. He is really only supported for the most part because Carol is so dislikeable.

…yeah, without each other I think we would have seen different aspects to them both, I agree…and that was the thing for me with Farida as well, how she was in the wrong season, as it were……it’s impossible (..for me..) though to say, how would I have perceived either as a housemate, without the other because the reasons that I like Richard are actually apart and aside from his Caroline associations/partnership/feud/rivalry etc…but I do think…that Caroline has allowed herself to be consumed with Richard but that won’t take from the thing that she’s enjoying her time and experience and the friends/bonds that she’s made…and that’s no small thing…but I also think that Richard will have enjoyed his own experience living it his way and equally have made some great friends/bonds etc… Non, je ne regrette rien and all that jazz…