[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tom

... and there goes his new identity in a puff of smoke. The chances are of a man suddenly going to prison after a fight at work in more than one place are pretty slim.

Nah its Prison Service Policy they dont divulge what convicts or remandees have done to other prisoners. Saves them having to go in and clean up the mess later.

If he has any sense about it, or his probation officer/case officer or police protection officer are doing their job, he will have a story made up. He was remanded for assault, car theft even a burglary, something like that. And he will keep his head down and mouth shut for now.

He is probably hoping they wont want the hassle of putting him in with an adult prison population for too long and hoping to get out at the Parole Review Board. After all that is one of the reasons why he and thompson were released, the judge stated it would simply be punishment if they served time in a prison when it would undo the rehabilitation they had achieved and put them at risk.

besides if he has any sense at all he will ask to be placed in protective custody. Its big boy stuff he is doing now, not kiddies secure units.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What's the likelihood of us ever seeing a picture of what they look like now or in a few years down the line, or what they've done in their 'new lives' etc?

Very unlikely as the ban on revealing anything that would give his or Thompson's identity away still stands, thats one reason why officials arent giving anything away.

If he does get released at his review or anytime in the near future we probably wont be told about that either.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Very unlikely as the ban on revealing anything that would give his or Thompson's identity away still stands, thats one reason why officials arent giving anything away.

If he does get released at his review or anytime in the near future we probably wont be told about that either.

Even when they both die? Will we not be told, provided with pics of them in adult life, details of what they did etc?

It sounds strange I know but I'd love to see what they look like now.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Even when they both die? Will we not be told, provided with pics of them in adult life, details of what they did etc?

It sounds strange I know but I'd love to see what they look like now.

When they die, yeah an identity ban wouldnt be protecting them however its unlikely Thompson will have but Venables may one day have children, the ban could be kept for their sake and the sake of his wife/girlfriend.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah its Prison Service Policy they dont divulge what convicts or remandees have done to other prisoners. Saves them having to go in and clean up the mess later.

Whilst what you're saying is true, I'm more on about his colleagues. They'll know if there has been a fight and suddenly one of the people involved is suddenly banged up or not at work at the minute. And then the news story pops up ...

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Tom

Whilst what you're saying is true, I'm more on about his colleagues. They'll know if there has been a fight and suddenly one of the people involved is suddenly banged up or not at work at the minute. And then the news story pops up ...

Yep so he gets another new identity, costing lots more thousands of pounds, will his girlfriend want or need one too?

Thats one of the reasons he may have gotten away with other fights etc in the past.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Shasown

When they die, yeah an identity ban wouldnt be protecting them however its unlikely Thompson will have but Venables may one day have children, the ban could be kept for their sake and the sake of his wife/girlfriend.

Ah okay, I see. Thanks

Originally Posted by Tom

Whilst what you're saying is true, I'm more on about his colleagues. They'll know if there has been a fight and suddenly one of the people involved is suddenly banged up or not at work at the minute. And then the news story pops up ...

I'd **** myself if I knew one of them had been around me. Just the thought that I might have walked past one of them on the street creeps me right out.

[Alf]

i'm more of a tel man myself

Youtube video

[Shasown]

Wonder if there is any truth in this one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nightclub.html

[Mrluvaluva]

It says in that article "Privately, sources have described the reason for his recall as 'shocking', prompting speculation that Venables may have been violent towards a child or woman.

The reason is thought to be so serious that it is unlikely he will even be considered for release for at least a year."

Whatever he has done now seems to be pretty bad. It's not just a fight.

And according to The Sun....

"James Bulger's killer Jon Venables was thrown back in jail over an allegation that he committed a sickening sex crime, The Sun can reveal.

The 27-year-old is expected to be brought before a court in the near future to face charges over it.

The Sun has discovered exact details of the offence, that will horrify the nation.

But government lawyers last night threatened to gag us with an injunction if we revealed it in full."


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2881233/Jon-Venables-faces-a-sex-charge.html#ixzz0hOZNwoJn

[Harry!]

Can they just lock him up for good?

[Mrluvaluva]

They would most probably say it would breach his human rights Harry, even though in a lot of peoples eyes he isn't entitled to any.

[arista]

New Labours's Jack Straw
is a Fool.


He needs to be Locked away
he is not a fit person.
Fact.

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

They would most probably say it would breach his human rights Harry, even though in a lot of peoples eyes he isn't entitled to any.

He doesnt deserve any rights! What he did to poor James was sad and sick. Poor mother as well.

[Mrluvaluva]

James Bulger’s killer Jon Venables was sent back to jail on suspicion of child porn offences, the Sunday ­Mirror can reveal.


The reason for Venables’ recall was kept secret by the Government but we can exclusively reveal that probation chiefs revoked his licence once the allegations had been made.


Venables, 27, has been in constant rehab­ili­tation for torturing James to death.


But if he has ­committed offences involving child porn while being ­supervised by probation officers the revelation will send shockwaves through the criminal justice ­system and will also raise questions about the virtually unprecedented rights and privileges he has enjoyed since he has been released.


James’s mother Denise publicly warned that Venables and Robert Thompson, both aged 10 when they murdered two-year-old James on Mersey­side in 1993, would go on to commit other offences if released.


Daily Mirror


This article has annoyed me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...-jail-not.html

Suzanne Moore giving her views and a totally biased report.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Recylopse

Can they just lock him up for good?

His original sentence was to be incarcerated at Her Majesty's Pleasure with the judges recommendation that he served a minimum 8 years before parole consideration, that has been carried out. He was released under life licence, which if he has commited the alleged offence(s) breaks the licence, he would if it was a minor offence probably do no more than a year.

It has been admitted he was being investigated for serious offences. So the Review Board will probably pass the sentencing back to the courts for the original offence. He will or should eventually receive a new tariff for reconsideration for parole. In other words how long before he can even be considered for a new licence.

The new offence would also go back into the criminal justice system with a decision being made as to whether or not he is prosecuted. If the new Tariff is such a long one that it exceeds any sentencing he may receive for the new offence then it may be deemed by the CPS not to be in the public interest to pursue the charges, to save the expense of a trial etc. Thats not to say they are being dropped but will be considered when and if he reaches the end of the new tariff.

Chances are they have held off recalling his licence for as long as possible in order not to undermine the public confidence in the licence system. Also the return to custody will have been as a last resort in order to attempt to preserve his anonymity. To be quite frank if the evidence against him is such the police were going to prefer charges after the investigation he wont be coming out for a good few years. Whether or not he is prosecuted for this new offence.

[Mrluvaluva]

Prison staff fear an attack by other inmates as it is revealed that pressure of keeping his name and background secret led James Bulger's murderer to fights, and drink and drug abuse

Jon Venables, one of the killers of the Liverpool toddler James Bulger, had descended into a "persistent state of self-disclosure" in which he felt compelled to tell others his real identity in the months before his return to prison, the Observer has been told.

The 27-year-old's mental state had become so fragile that he would regularly reveal his identity to strangers – something that had put him at risk of attack.

Sources said Venables had become a heavy drinker and there have also been claims that he used drugs. As Venables entered into an increasingly disturbed psychological state, he had become embroiled in a series of confrontations and fights, the sources said.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ma...essed-identity

[InOne]

Would not be suprised if he was a sex killer tbh, they will probs bang him in Broadmoor

[BBitterLemons]

Whatever he has done, it's ridiculous for people to conclude that it should mean his identity be revealed. I'm sorry but I'd love to know what logic people are using to come up with this crap....

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BBitterLemons

Whatever he has done, it's ridiculous for people to conclude that it should mean his identity be revealed. I'm sorry but I'd love to know what logic people are using to come up with this crap....

They wont reveal his identity, the false identity(national insurance number, birth certificate etc) could be used again in the future if not by him by someone else being released in similar circumstances, plus it will be kept secret in order to help protect those involved either knowingly or unknowingly in his life.

[BBitterLemons]

Originally Posted by Shasown

They wont reveal his identity, the false identity(national insurance number, birth certificate etc) could be used again in the future if not by him by someone else being released in similar circumstances, plus it will be kept secret in order to help protect those involved either knowingly or unknowingly in his life.

Lol!!!
No, it would not be used again. That identity is now tainted by Jon Veneables and thus would obviously not be used again. When people are given these new lives (which is very rarely) every thinkable measure is taken to prevent its discovery and giving somebody the used-identity of a known killer, widely publicized by the media-- would contradict everything they're trying to do.

The government has no duty to those he has come into contact with lol.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BBitterLemons

Lol!!!
No, it would not be used again. That identity is now tainted by Jon Veneables and thus would obviously not be used again. When people are given these new lives (which is very rarely) every thinkable measure is taken to prevent its discovery and giving somebody the used-identity of a known killer, widely publicized by the media-- would contradict everything they're trying to do.

The government has no duty to those he has come into contact with lol.

In the unlikely event the parole review board decide there is no foundation to the allegations that have been made against him, and he isnt a danger to himself or others, he comes out sooner or later, under either the same or a new name. The name may be known but it isnt allowed to be released to the public. So they resettle him in another new area. The press have been aware of his assumed identity for a number of years. However they have not allowed to publicise it, in fact the silence of some overseas publications was ensured by paying for their silence. Same as Thompson.

Of course the government has a duty even if its only a moral duty to those who have been involved in his life. Say for example a girlfriend or wife who became involved with him, totally ignorant of his past. There may a risk to her from people who feel she should not have had anything whatsoever to do with him.

Resettling people under false identities happens a lot more frequently than you think.

[arista]

Todays sunday mirror
confirms
He was Arrested for Child Pornography.


Now whatever New Labour Jack Straw
is on about,
it is out in the Public domain,
its all change now.


Lock him up
or await him being killed in cold blood.

[cupid stunt]

Lock jack straw up n all the corrupt bastard he even looks like demon headmaster remember dat ?

[cupid stunt]