[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Because there's no black ghettos in the US? Come on, the country's well known for racially segregated neighbourhoods in a lot of places. Personally I find statistics more reliable than anecdotal evidence which doesn't really offer a wide perspective

Are you serious? Umm, America is by far the most racially diverse country in the world,. OF course when you have more diversity, you have more racial conflicts. It's stupid to compare the Uk to America, when America has only 52% white population, but UK has 80% white population.

Obviously, the less diversity you have, the less racial conflict you have. Does that mean that LESS diversity is a GOOD thing????

Wow, countries with less races have less racism... who would have thunk it?? DUH!!! lol

FUnny how China has very little racism against blacks.. gee, maybe because they have almost NO black people living there!!!

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seriously? I mean, I've never lived there of course, but racial divisions in the USA seem far more prominent than here in the UK. Those figures I quoted up above were about the USA from here http://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/...sheet-erm.aspx and it really doesn't look to me like the US is some beacon of racial progressiveness

And the South. There's so much racism in the South, they even still have the Confederacy flag flying above the Louisiana State Courthouse

And racists are gonna be racists. My point is how much society gives you a chance. Even if someone has a business, and they are racist, they have to follow the law. So those racists had to hire some black people or they were fined!

Like I said, I am not saying there arent racists, just that people fought for their rights, and got at least a fighting chance.

[Zippy]

Wildcat

Again you make sweeping claims and generalisations. You havent lived in all parts of America Im sure. Just as you do not know the crime stats for all black countries. Maybe you were lucky to be in a black friendly part. Or a part with a huge black population. But there are many parts that are far behind the UK in terms of racial harmony.

And Im pretty sure that mixed relationships were far more acceptable in the UK and Europe long before the US. Indeed, they only seem to have caught up in recent years.

[Wildcat!]

Anyways, thats my 2 and a half cent, I said I wasnt gonna say nothing, but some of you guys deserved an honest opinion.

[lostalex]

Well, to start with I know that in America men don't rape young black girls because they believe it will cure them of AIDS. That's just one very extreme example of the difference.

To compare any part of the USA to Africa is ridiculous. I'm sorry dude, but if you believe it is comparable at all, then maybe you should ask the hundreds of thousands of Africans applying for USA citizenship on refugee status every year.

I wonder how many Americans are applying for african countries citizenship, and how many of them claim to be refugees from this horrible racism that you claim exists in America. I'd really like to know, how many Americans are refugees from America TO africa? As far as i know... ZERO. But if you know differently, let me know.

[InOne]

None of the questions of the OP have really been answered, I guess there isn't one

But like people have said there have been all sorts of discrimination, prejudice and racism to all sorts of ethnic groups. There has to be more to it than "being black" Yes poverty is an issue but seems like an endless cycle at the moment.

[Zippy]

LOL thats not the post I remember seeing before ^

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Zippy

LOL thats not the post I remember seeing before ^

Look at the edit reason

[Zippy]

The black population of the UK is just 2%.The black population of Americas is about 13%. Blacks are the second biggest racial group there. Numbers equals power. Over 95% of blacks voted Obama to victory, for example.

Black people did not really start to populate this country significantly until post second world war. But in America they have had a significant presence for hundreds of years. Even back in the 18th century they made up a massive 20% of the US population. Yes, largely due to slavery for the most part but it's still a presence. But as a result of slavery they have had a very long running succession of laws and regulations put in place to protect their rights. The UK or other European countries cannot compete with that foundation or history.

And it wasnt until very recently that blacks got a foothold in power; the first elected governor wasn't until 1989. That's a long long wait to be acknowledged considering they are the 2nd biggest racial group. As for Barack, well here's his mother;



that must have been one hell of a flash to make her look white. Oh wait, she is white!

And if you wanna pretend that America is now some idealistic wonderland of racial harmony then..GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! Try googling the words race, America, inequality, ghetto, low pay, poverty, crime, statistics, education. Happy reading.

Then go view the LA riots on youtube. Makes the UK riots look like a teddy bears picnic. The Uk riots were not race on race.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

And if you wanna pretend that America is now some idealistic wonderland of racial harmony then..GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! Try googling the words race, America, inequality, ghetto, low pay, poverty, crime, statistics, education. Happy reading.

Then go view the LA riots on youtube. Makes the UK riots look like a teddy bears picnic. The Uk riots were not race on race.

I disagree on all counts. Googling race in America, first of all google anything ab out America and you will find more articles, simply because the US media is far larger and more sophisticated than any other country, also because America talks about race and analyzes itself more than other country. No other country is as self-reflective as America, we are constantly studying ourselves, no other country puts more money and resources into studying itself.

Foreign people complain about the fact that America is too insular, and Americans only know about America, and don't focus much on the rest of the world, well maybe other countries should start analyzing themselves and talking about themselves more like America does. If they did, i think they'd find the same problems in their own backyard.

Instead they'd rather just focus on America, and ignore their own problems. It's easy to forget your own problems when you are more interested in Britney Spears' problems.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I disagree on all counts. Googling race in America, first of all google anything ab out America and you will find more articles, simply because the US media is far larger and more sophisticated than any other country, also because America talks about race and analyzes itself more than other country. No other country is as self-reflective as America, we are constantly studying ourselves, no other country puts more money and resources into studying itself.

Foreign people complain about the fact that America is too insular, and Americans only know about America, and don't focus much on the rest of the world, well maybe other countries should start analyzing themselves and talking about themselves more like America does. If they did, i think they'd find the same problems in their own backyard.

Instead they'd rather just focus on America, and ignore their own problems. It's easy to forget your own problems when you are more interested in Britney Spears' problems.

Very good analysis, I never thought about the insular thing, but its a good point. ANd every other country is kind of obsessed with america.

Another problem with that is, unless you actually live somewhere, you dont really know how the people really are. To me, the way they portray america, or americans in the press here, is nothing like when you meet or live with the average american. I have always found them very caring, welcoming, and good in general. They also are a lot more religious than Europeans, which can explain certain things.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I disagree on all counts. Googling race in America, first of all google anything ab out America and you will find more articles, simply because the US media is far larger and more sophisticated than any other country, also because America talks about race and analyzes itself more than other country. No other country is as self-reflective as America, we are constantly studying ourselves, no other country puts more money and resources into studying itself.

Foreign people complain about the fact that America is too insular, and Americans only know about America, and don't focus much on the rest of the world, well maybe other countries should start analyzing themselves and talking about themselves more like America does. If they did, i think they'd find the same problems in their own backyard.

Instead they'd rather just focus on America, and ignore their own problems. It's easy to forget your own problems when you are more interested in Britney Spears' problems.

Well most of this is a Captain obvious moment.

Yeah yeah, trust me, we're all very aware of how Americans just love to talk about themselves. And analyse themselves round and round in circles until theyre even more screwed up than they were to begin with. Does it solve your problems? No!

And I never said anything about the amount of articles to be found on Google. I was just pointing towards all the info highlighting the issues in America. If you want to act like theyve all been solved then you a crazy bitch. Its not even just about blacks; there are huge issues with hispanics and Asians. They don't all get along with each other. Then there's the whole other issue of black on black crime.

The USA black prison population % is 5 times the black nationl population. But yeah, you got it all sussed.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Its not even just about blacks; there are huge issues with hispanics and Asians. They don't all get along with each other. Then there's the whole other issue of black on black crime.

The USA black prison population % is 5 times the black nationl population. But yeah, you got it all sussed.

Hispanic is not a race, most latin Americans are White/European decent, Asians are doing fine, in fact actually Asians are doing even better than the average white/european American, infact there is actually a disproportionately HIGH amount of asians in the US University system. so i don't know what you're talking about.

You wanna talk about disproprtionate prison populations, why don't you talk about the first nations proportion in Canadian prisons, or about the same disproportions in UK prisons and all across europe. or about the disproportionate number of Aborigionals in Australian prisons? Why are you singling out America?

Oh wait, you prolly don't know about that, cause yur only interested in and focused on America, you actually havn't looked at the proportions of OTHER countries, have you?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

And it wasnt until very recently that blacks got a foothold in power; the first elected governor wasn't until 1989. That's a long long wait to be acknowledged considering they are the 2nd biggest racial group.

Just out of curiosity, what year was the first black MP elected? ( I know it's not comperable because US governors are not the same as MP's, MP's are more like US congressmen, when was the first US black congressman elected?)

You're post is not very complete when it comes to viewing things in relativity. It would be nice if you put your comments into some kind of context.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Just out of curiosity, what year was the first black MP elected? ( I know it's not comperable because US governors are not the same as MP's, MP's are more like US congressmen, when was the first US black congressman elected?)

You're post is not very complete when it comes to viewing things in relativity. It would be nice if you put your comments into some kind of context.

We had an Asian MP in 1892

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

We had an Asian MP in 1892

Care to elaborate? lol what a minimalist post.

[InOne]

I don't get why this thread has turned into something about racism? It's clearly not a race war or anything over here, black kids are killing eachother over postcodes, it's like a community imploding on itself.

[Zippy]

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first black UK elected MP was in 1987.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first UK elected MP was in 1987.

Hispanic is not a race. DO you consider Spanish and italian and greek and MEDITERRANEAN to be a race? NO, they are white. They are european. Hispanics are no more a race than USAmerican is a race.

There are black latinos, white latinos and asian latinos. None of which are native to South America.



And i didn't bring America into this. You're the one that needs to go back and read the thread.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Hispanic is not a race. DO you consider Spanish and italian and greek and MEDITERRANEAN to be a race? NO, they are white. They are european.

And i didn't bring america into this. You're the one that needs to go back and read the thread.

I never said you did. You have an annoying habit of making irrelevant points. Pay attention.

Hispanics are a huge and very powerful racial group in America and you damn well know it. Quit being pedantic it aint pretty. You know who Im referring to.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I never said you did. You have an annoying habit of making irrelevant points. Pay attention.

Hispanics are a huge and very powerful racial group in America and you damn well know it. Quit being pedantic it aint pretty. You know who Im referring to.

It's not any kind of racial group because HIspanic is NOT a race... you obviously arn't paying attention, so why am i wasting my time?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's not any kind of racial group because HIspanic is NOT a race... you obviously arn't paying attention, so why am i wasting my time?

and were you not the clever little that spoke of the American race?

yeah, because Americans are not diverse at all. Try being consistent for once.

There are a a huge percentage of Americans who refer to themselves as Hispanic. Or black. Or Asian. In the context of my original point, that is all that matters; point being that they are different groups that do not get along in harmony.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first black UK elected MP was in 1987.

Dude you are sounding so ignorant. Hispanic is definitely NOT A RACE. You can be white, Asian, black, native american or mixed and be Hispanic. Hispanic basically means that you are from a Spanish speaking country thats NOT SPAIN.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Jesus christ

you're babbling about Ameriac this and America that and then you ask why Im talking about America? I didnt bring America into this. Go look back.

And Hispanic is a bloody race. Your white/eurpopean tag is absolute BS. No hispanic would refer to themselves as that!

and the first black UK elected MP was in 1987.

No you are wrong. Most Hispanics are of European descent. Mostly Portuguese and Spanish.

Example Puerto Rico and Mexico. Most Mexicans are White, Native American or mixed with both. Puerto Ricans are usually White, White/Native American, Black, White/black/native american, or White/black.

Dominican Republic. Majority of Dominicans are of African descent.

You can be any race and be a Hispanic.

[lostalex]

It's impossible to comare elected officials in the US and UK anyway, because the UK doesn't actually have a democratic system./ IN the UK political parties can just appoint MP'
s and there is no democratic vote like primaries nhere in the US.

Even if there is a Black PM some day, it won't mean anything, because the political party decides who is their leader, not the people of the UK. The British people never elected Gordon Brown but he was PM.