[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

Nadia is the greatest winner of all time. Victor is unbelievably overrated. He was just a fat, bald man desperate to show how "bad" he was. Yet he got completely owned by Shell. He thought he was a great game-player, but he only survived three rounds of nominations.. He was a good housemate, but definitely didn't deserve to win over the goddess Nadia.

How can you say Victor was overrated when he didn't make it to final (so underrated) and Nadia and won. When her trans acceptance issue was no longer an issue she was 'owned' by Ulrika 'unlikeable' Johnson in UBB. Even former BB chum Brian D craftily distanced himself from her and Nadia was exposed as the overrated HM that she actually was who relied on 'trans acceptance route'. Don't get me wrong, I voted for her to win as she was a decent HM, but BB5 EVERY HM was brilliant and I also voted to stop Jason winning. Another reason why Victor is better than Nadia is because now that we are 8 year on from BB5, Victor is generally regarded as a legend, not Nadia (certainly UBB undid her popularity).

Most underrated HM of all time imo - Ahmed.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

How can you say Victor was overrated when he didn't make it to final (so underrated) and Nadia and won. When her trans acceptance issue was no longer an issue she was 'owned' by Ulrika 'unlikeable' Johnson in UBB. Even former BB chum Brian D craftily distanced himself from her and Nadia was exposed as the overrated HM that she actually was who relied on 'trans acceptance route'. Don't get me wrong, I voted for her to win as she was a decent HM, but BB5 EVERY HM was brilliant and I also voted to stop Jason winning. Another reason why Victor is better than Nadia is because now that we are 8 year on from BB5, Victor is generally regarded as a legend, not Nadia (certainly UBB undid her popularity).

Most underrated HM of all time imo - Ahmed.

I agree Nadia only won because she was a transsexual, but that doesn't mean she didn't deserve to win for a plethora of other reasons. She was hilarious and fiery and argumentative, and even if that's not why the public voted for her to win, that's why she deserved to win. In UBB she was treated like any other strong, argumentative woman and that is why she was evicted and booed.

[dathadiguy]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

Nadia is the greatest winner of all time. Victor is unbelievably overrated. He was just a fat, bald man desperate to show how "bad" he was. Yet he got completely owned by Shell. He thought he was a great game-player, but he only survived three rounds of nominations.. He was a good housemate, but definitely didn't deserve to win over the goddess Nadia.

Don't think he quite got owned by Shell, I remember her screaming in his face, going mad & then running off & crying like he did something to her.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by dathadiguy

Don't think he quite got owned by Shell, I remember her screaming in his face, going mad & then running off & crying like he did something to her.

"Victor, you're a cvnt but I'm dancing with you."

Best line in BB history.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by dathadiguy

In retrospect I think Victor should have won that series.

Victor was the man!

He had a real chance of winning that year, but for one argument with Shell. But even he knew that in his exit interview.

[alex_front2]

Dathadiguy: yep.

I think the 'other lunatic' you mean 'bed-sit' Emma who was ejected?

For a long time Victor was the best HM imo in BB5 (articulate, smart, cheeky, game-playingly brilliant, working LF late at night keeping us entertained with his grimy jungle cat chats, crawling on floor singing crap rnb etc) but he came undone when he picked on Shell in wedding task. The sight of him making blond haired blue eyed middle class nice girl cry with mascara running down her cheeks killed his chances. If this had not have happened he would have actually beaten Nadia, or she would have very narrowly won imo.

[thesheriff443]

well, he comes trouble!
luke was born a female and he won so there is your answer.

[alex_front2]

Luke A actually said that he hated Nadia. He's a massive fan of show and said that when he realised a female transgendered person was appearing on show he was excited but he watched LF and went off her.

If LukeA and Nadia were both in BB5 neither would win as the trans story would be cancelling each other out and ultimately irrelevant.

This is why when you have someone like BB7 Pete Bennett wth tourettes, BB9 Mikey with blindness or BB11 Steve with his war hero leg disfigurement you need a nother person in there with a comparable condition so it's no longer neccessarily some USP.

[alex_front2]

Having a back story is a really good get out of jail clause. It benefited Nadia 100%. Nadia was as aggressive as Alex BB9. Guess who got kicked out.

[Kizzy]

I like those who are nice but are not 'yesmen' they are not influnced by others and know their own minds.
Not afraid to defend themselves either.
Deana is a great example.

[iRyan]

I've said this time and time again, the public doesn't like strong, independent women - they view them as being a 'bitch'. Yet, if a guy acts like that, he's a 'legend'. The public seems to only love vulnerable, submissive, or inoffensive women.

[alex_front2]

But I did like Kate, but she wasn't really strong. Funny. Yes. Tomboyish (compared to Lauren, hell yea). Worthy winner, yep. Strong? Nah!

Re Johnny - he was so calculating. He really stopped defending and protecting Kate to try and win, and regain his loveable funtime frankie persona, so transparent. Hated him.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

But I did like Kate, but she wasn't really strong. Funny. Yes. Tomboyish (compared to Lauren, hell yea). Worthy winner, yep. Strong? Nah!

Re Johnny - he was so calculating. He really stopped defending and protecting Kate to try and win, and regain his loveable funtime frankie persona, so transparent. Hated him.

me too, Kate drunk trying to put them trousers on ,one of my fav bb moments and them sneaking into rich side, classic BB before the hm8s got as camera savvy

[alex_front2]

But I did like Kate, but she wasn't really strong. Funny. Yes. Tomboyish (compared to Lauren, hell yea). Worthy winner, yep. Strong? Nah!

Re Johnny - he was so calculating. He really stopped defending and protecting Kate to try and win, and regain his loveable funtime frankie persona, so transparent. Hated him.

[Black Dagger]

Kate is actually one of my few favourite winners.

She was so amazing, I wish I could have watched her on the live-feed tbh.

[Moviefan]

I still gutted that Nikk did win few years ago, i am clad she came second in the Ultimate Big Brother, they both very good watch in there series!

[rayheartbliss]

never! big brother is a place for women to hate other women who they consider better than them.
and a place for men to hate on women who won't take sheeet from them.

[rayheartbliss]

never! big brother is a place for women to hate other women who they consider better than them.
and a place for men to hate on women who won't take sheeet from them.

[the truth]

youre mistaking the word strong for ignorant , petty , vindictive and argumentative....those housemates always lose regardless of being men or women
which is what these housemates were....

a strong female HAS won kate bb2 .... nadia .....sophie...rachel rice...josie...all strong in their own ways...same with shilpa and chantelle...strong women but basically decent people

[Raph]

I think Rachel was a strong female and she won!

[Patrick]

It happened in 2002..

[alex_front2]

Remember when Conor was bland in week 1 and Lydia and.Victoria were being gobby and creating drama? Guess who got 65%....