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Old 04-04-2016, 02:22 PM #1
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But where in this story, or even in Justin Bieber getting dreadlocks, does it suggest either had a hand in creating it or calling it brand new?

Celebrities bring all kinds of age old fashion statements to the fore again and again and make it a "trend" for a while. That's just pop culture for you. It's got nothing to do with origin.

In situations like this, it's not a simple "Black people" and "white people". Justin Bieber has dreadlocks, not the entire "white community" so I don't see how it conjures up whining about stereotyping. He is one person.

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Let's say it is being appropriated, why is this always a negative? If you are aware of the history and such can you not celebrate black culture this way?
I can see why it's frustrating at the portrayal that celebrities like kim k 'invented a look, but many with half a braincell know that's not true.
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Let's say it is being appropriated, why is this always a negative? If you are aware of the history and such can you not celebrate black culture this way?
I can see why it's frustrating at the portrayal that celebrities like kim k 'invented a look, but many with half a braincell know that's not true.
It really isn't a negativite at all... Culture expands and spreads. It's practically part of the definition OF culture. I don't understand this desire to set or define limits on who can embrace certain aspects of certain cultures and who can't... It's ridiculous.

My wife is English born and bred, with some Irish ancestry on her mums side. She is adamant that she never felt "at home" until moving to Scotland. Scottish culture isn't a part of her natural heritage, at all, so... Should I go home tonight and tell her off for cultural appropriation? Or should I just be happy for her to have found something that she identifies with and feels at home with?
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It really isn't a negativite at all... Culture expands and spreads. It's practically part of the definition OF culture. I don't understand this desire to set or define limits on who can embrace certain aspects of certain cultures and who can't... It's ridiculous.

My wife is English born and bred, with some Irish ancestry on her mums side. She is adamant that she never felt "at home" until moving to Scotland. Scottish culture isn't a part of her natural heritage, at all, so... Should I go home tonight and tell her off for cultural appropriation? Or should I just be happy for her to have found something that she identifies with and feels at home with?
It's cos she's part Irish, us Celts have to stick together
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Yes thats fair enough
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"maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?..."

Yes thats how it looks Wise Ammi
That lady has done acting classes
so she is loving this.
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"maybe it's something that some students have taken part I to provoke discussion on the subject..?..."

Yes thats how it looks Wise Ammi
That lady has done acting classes
so she is loving this.
You have no proof that she was acting do you so why derail the thread with the constant reference?
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You have no proof that she was acting do you so why derail the thread with the constant reference?


No I do not want this Debate to Stop.
But give them credit in California
for a Fake story at that session.

It could happen
that a Black Person would get angry at
a white person Hair.


So Kizzy this Debate Stands
no derail on debating this


10 Outta 10 on acting, though

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Also not sure about things only being seen as fashionable once white people get their claws in. Let's be honest... Dreads can look awesome if done right, but on white people's hair they universally are just pretty awful.
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I just can't imagine ever being so miserable as to attach racial and social significance to a bloody hairstyle
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I just can't imagine ever being so miserable as to attach racial and social significance to a bloody hairstyle
It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.
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It's called being black and living in a world where people say Elvis is the king or rock n roll when he copied it from a black person.
Do you have to have invented rock n' roll to be seen as the best or most popular figure of it?

Should we attach a disclaimer to Michael Jackson's popularity that he didn't invent pop music?

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Yes Elvis did that.


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Justin Bieber invented dreadlocks, so what's the issue?
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Justin Bieber invented dreadlocks, so what's the issue?

Yes he loves that
he says he looks cool
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The first post in this thread that makes sense to me
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I think the thing i dread the most about moving back to the states is being told I cant say/do something cause of my skin colour. Guess I deserve it tho cause I'm white
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Copying a hairstyle has nothing to do with racism, and in my humble opinion we should all in brace everyone's culture. It isn't really anyone's fault since both sides of the argument make it worse.
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I love to in brace my fellow humans.
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