[Crimson Dynamo]

Its getting more and more like the "Im a Laydeeee sketch"

[Crimson Dynamo]

All of the TL's trans pals hate her and are going ballistic

[JerseyWins]

Yeah I take the other person's side in this India dispute yet again but India has not necessarily been bad TV for me.

[smudgie]

Depends on the context, how the discussion evolved etc.
If I was ginger, bald or wore glasses and somebody in the group decided to spout how they wouldn’t date a ginger, a baldy or a spectacle wearing person then I would think they were being rude. But just pass it off as their ignorance.
However if the conversation was brought up as the general subject and opinions asked for then that would be totally different.

[bots]

This is where lines have to be drawn. People are entitled to be as they want, in whatever sexual form they want, but they should give everyone else the same respect and allow everyone else the same freedom to be themselves and express themselves as they want. Forcing someone to like something they just don't is never going to end well

As I said in a previous thread she has set the cause back 20 years by her appearance on this show.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is where lines have to be drawn. People are entitled to be as they want, in whatever sexual form they want, but they should give everyone else the same respect and allow everyone else the same freedom to be themselves and express themselves as they want. Forcing someone to like something they just don't is never going to end well

As I said in a previous thread she has set the cause back 20 years by her appearance on this show.

well said

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is where lines have to be drawn. People are entitled to be as they want, in whatever sexual form they want, but they should give everyone else the same respect and allow everyone else the same freedom to be themselves and express themselves as they want. Forcing someone to like something they just don't is never going to end well

As I said in a previous thread she has set the cause back 20 years by her appearance on this show.

100%

This kind of thought police dictatorship thinking is a dangerous far left agenda which isn’t just limited to the trans issue.
It’s anti freedom of thought and freedom to even be who you are.It’s regressive af.

[-Sue-]

Nadia Almada & Luke Anderson the only 2 housemates I can remember were nothing like India.. they were so easygoing and we actually got to know them as people not just their transgender side of things..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Nadia Almada & Luke Anderson the only 2 housemates I can remember were nothing like India.. they were so easygoing and we actually got to know them as people not just their transgender side of things..

[Wizard.]

It seems to me that whilst India’s opinion and feelings are valid that it’s surelt hypocritical of her to be argue against somebody’s sexual preferences. Genuwine can choose who he does and does not sleep with and and it’s nobodies place to say otherwise.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

It seems to me that whilst India’s opinion and feelings are valid that it’s surelt hypocritical of her to be argue against somebody’s sexual preferences. Genuwine can choose who he does and does not sleep with and and it’s nobodies place to say otherwise.

This sums up my feelings exactly

[Osjama]

India isn’t entitled to a date or sex

Sexuality isn’t smth u can change just bc some bitter trans woman said so

[poppsywoppsy]

There are many things in people's lives which they have to struggle against every single day.

It may not be something which affects their dealings with the opposite sex but can control their lives in a way they might not want or like.

Do they rant and rail against the wider community about their lot and expect them to fund their problem when they earn more than a lot of their neighbours.

Do they want others not to notice their problems and change their thinking towards it.

India is not disabled or mentally challenged. She has a good job, has her health and her mother is supportive.

She has had her surgery free, yet still thinks the world owes her something.

Most people have something we find about ourselves which we wish was different but do not let it become the main topic of conversation over and over again and demand others think the same way.

India is a first class bore, no wonder she hasn't had a relationship in years, who could put up with her?

[Smithy]

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

People do think like that, so i ask them would they date a woman to man trans as they should still see him as a woman?

[Monkey Slut]

Originally Posted by parmnion

People do think like that, so i ask them would they date a woman to man trans as they should still see him as a woman?

I asked that to someone earlier in this thread, he said he'd consider himself straight if he dated a trans man and gay if he dated a trans woman. That doesn't really make sense to me but.....

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

I asked that to someone earlier in this thread, he said he'd consider himself straight if he dated a trans man and gay if he dated a trans woman. That doesn't really make sense to me but.....

How does that not make sense? If someone believes that you cannot actually change sex as many people do (and science agrees with this as it stands) then a transman is a female, and a transwoman is a male. Therefor a male person dating a transman is a male datng a female, so straight.

Comes down to if you believe sex is a material thing, or something in ones head really. I would say sex is a real thing, not a feeling. People can have surgeries to mimic the opposite sex if that relieves their dysphoria, but their sex does remain the same, and in a lot of cases you can still tell the original sex anyway. India is definitely one of those cases.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

If that is his honest opinion, what is she going to do about it.

Stamp away and go to bed, that will solve everything.

Just realise you will not change everyone's opinion and get over it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

I wonder if India would be happier if people were blatantly honest and said ' No, I do not see you as a woman, I see you as a transwoman, the two are very different'

Doubt it somehow.

[jaxie]

I will

Originally Posted by Smithy

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

India is being completely unrealistic and I think it's something a lot of people are unrealistic about for the sake of PC. India has had cosmetic changes so that India feels comfortable but those changes only go so far, it's still mostly the same body of a 50 year old man, same height, voice hip shape etc. The changes are a self desire but they don't magically transform you into Britney Spears in the eyes of others. People will be polite and respect your right to live as desired. But a straight man is attracted to women. India does not look like a woman so why would a straight guy want to date her? Most people are attracted to others through physical appearance initially. Your body change isn't necessarily going to make you more attractive to straight people.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I will

India is being completely unrealistic and I think it's something a lot of people are unrealistic about for the sake of PC. India has had cosmetic changes so that India feels comfortable but those changes only go so far, it's still mostly the same body of a 50 year old man, same height, voice hip shape etc. The changes are a self desire but they don't magically transform you into Britney Spears in the eyes of others. People will be polite and respect your right to live as desired. But a straight man is attracted to women. India does not look like a woman so why would a straight guy want to date her? Most people are attracted to others through physical appearance initially. Your body change isn't necessarily going to make you more attractive to straight people.

Yeah, and I can understand where people don't really want to have this discussion with folk who already struggle everyday with their identity. To that end, I can understand how India's feelings were not just hurt in some trivial way.

Maybe in her real life, people handle her fragility differently (with kid gloves) and keeps these conversations to a minimum as a means to not exacerbate her dysphoria. But I also don't think that we should be encouraging this perception that just because you change your sex on your ID or have work done, that other's perception of your sex/gender should also change. These shouldn't be sold as a bill of goods, a means to achieving permanent acceptance in other people's eyes. What it should represent is your individual choice to live as a particular gender and to enjoy your legal rights while doing so (i.e. use the bathroom of that gender), to go with the internal work. To sell it as more than this is not only harmful but will lead to disappointment. I don't think she's fully transitioned spiritually/mentally in this respect.. she really does seem to treat it as though being a woman comes down to boobs, cloths and hair (the whole "diva" thing)... and just kinda missing out on everything else in the process. She could have a very good experience in the house if she would just let things happen.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah, and I can understand where people don't really want to have this discussion with folk who already struggle everyday with their identity. To that end, I can understand how India's feelings were not just hurt in some trivial way.

Maybe in her real life, people handle her fragility differently (with kid gloves) and keeps these conversations to a minimum as a means to not exacerbate her dysphoria. But I also don't think that we should be encouraging this perception that just because you change your sex on your ID or have work done, that other's perception of your sex/gender should also change. These shouldn't be sold as a bill of goods, a means to achieving permanent acceptance in other people's eyes. What it should represent is your individual choice to live as a particular gender and to enjoy your legal rights while doing so (i.e. use the bathroom of that gender), to go with the internal work. To sell it as more than this is not only harmful but will lead to disappointment. I don't think she's fully transitioned spiritually/mentally in this respect.. she really does seem to treat it as though being a woman comes down to boobs, cloths and hair (the whole "diva" thing)... and just kinda missing out on everything else in the process. She could have a very good experience in the house if she would just let things happen.

In many ways I think India as a representative of trans just shows that much more counselling and less surgical procedure may be more appropriate in some cases. I don't think the surgery she has had is going to give India what she wants. There is a lot of talk about transformation but that has to be personal because your transformation isn't necessarily transforming others or how they will see you.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jaxie

In many ways I think India as a representative of trans just shows that much more counselling and less surgical procedure may be more appropriate in some cases. I don't think the surgery she has had is going to give India what she wants. There is a lot of talk about transformation but that has to be personal because your transformation isn't necessarily transforming others or how they will see you.

Why did she go on BB she clearly needs counselling then . She keeps having these random outbursts everytime somebody has a different opinion and it's tiresome to see .

Ginuwine was being honest in the most gentlemanly way which was nice to see , i bet people assumed he'd be a rough argumentative person as he's a rapper.

India is pathetic the way she's pushing him and grabbing him, and even then he's still being polite and just laughing it off .

Malika even said if a guy didn't fancy her because his preference was for another ethnicity she wouldn't cry and moan about it .

Ginuwine is a straight man with 9 kids therefore he must fancy all women??? , India is delusional .

[smudgie]

Some people will never see India as a woman, it’s just a tad naive of her to think otherwise.
Not saying if it is right or wrong, but it is what it is.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Some people will never see India as a woman, it’s just a tad naive of her to think otherwise.
Not saying if it is right or wrong, but it is what it is.

It's a tricky one I am happy to consider her female however her ranting that she is a 'real woman' I find harder to accept as she was not born that way.

I do not want to offend anyone so I am trying to use the right wording I know literally naff all about transgender or the LGBT as I don't usually look at sexuality/gender/height/colour of skin/etc in that way to like or dislike a person. The way people treat me (others) or their character in general is how I tend to judge people

But you are quite right she needs to understand not everyone is of the same mindset/generation/has the same life experiences so her ability to accept others the way they accept her will do her a ton of favours (if she ever learns to be more polite to others and not be so judgemental, childish, hypocritical etc)