[Liam-]

I don’t think anyone has actually claimed that it is feminism though? The only people who have mentioned feminism are the men offended by women enjoying their sexuality, I can’t imagine Cardi wrote this song with the idea of being the next Emmeline Pankhurst, she released a song she wanted to, with lyrics she wanted to use, like men have been doing forever, like I’ve said before, nobody cares when men rap about bitches and licking lollipops, they only get offended when women talk about sex because it’s ‘not what women do’ it’s a completely sexist mindset

[Niamh.]

I'm not offended, I was just commenting on the feminist claims but yeah it was Ben Shapiro who really brought that in to it in the first place

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t think anyone has actually claimed that it is feminism though? The only people who have mentioned feminism are the men offended by women enjoying their sexuality, I can’t imagine Cardi wrote this song with the idea of being the next Emmeline Pankhurst, she released a song she wanted to, with lyrics she wanted to use, like men have been doing forever, like I’ve said before, nobody cares when men rap about bitches and licking lollipops, they only get offended when women talk about sex because it’s ‘not what women do’ it’s a completely sexist mindset

That's flat-out false. While the recording artists might not be branding it feminism, it IS being branded feminism from several liberal feminist corners.

The second BIB is flat out false, also. Normalisation of "porn culture sex" as something to be expected leads to increases in sexual violence - especially amougst young, inexperienced people. Throwing the idea that agrressive sex acts are actually "what girls want" - coming FROM women - is only going to make that worse. That's not to say that some don't enjoy rough sex, but far from everyone does, and those who do mostly don't want that all the time with every partner.

To be clear; the part about the women getting oral sex is not the problematic part of the song. The parts about having sex for money/reward and enjoying (expecting/demanding) aggressive deep-throating are. I mean the latter is straight up physically dangerous when dumb teenagers try to emulate it with no idea what they're doing.

[Liam-]

Oh come on, a song isn’t going to make people go out and try aggressively sexual things ffs, that’s about as tenuous a link as people linking video games and violence.

Also, I’m not up on the feminist corners of the world, but if that’s what they’re saying then that’s an opinion, but imo, unless the artists themselves say it’s some sort of feminist moment, it shouldn’t be judged as one.

The song is objectively bad, but trying to say it could lead to lead to some sort of spike in sexual violence as ‘extreme porn culture’ is honestly ridiculous, there is a problem with porn and an over sexualised society of sorts, but I very much doubt a pair of woman putting out a song like this is going to have any sort impact.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's just a hypocritical way of silencing opinions that people can't argue against. An opinion cannot be an act of censorship towards someone else but people will make out that it is to invalidate that opinion without going to the effort of actually putting a well thought out argument against it.

Claiming censorship while looking to censor an opinion they dislike, it's grim.

Another hung up on the word censor...nobody has censored anyone, I made reference to that and then changed my post.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Again, I know.
You accused my second comment of "sniping" at you, when I was responding to another poster. Read.



Never said you did. I said no one was being silenced as in "censored". Brand wasn't trying to silence anyone in giving his opinion.

Yeah yeah..

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nobody bats an eyelid when put out songs about sex, but woman are still expected to remain silent about their sexualities, is the song great? No, is it going to forward the feminist movement any? No, but who cares? It’s just a song, I will never understand why things like this trigger people so much, especially the blokes who probably watch porn on the regs but have a coronary whenever a women talks about sex.

And as for Brand, I love him, but he is a hypocrite, he made a career from being a famous sex addict, that was his whole shtick, he gave a bloke a handjob in a public bathroom for a tv show ffs.

WHAT!!?? When was this ???!!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yeah yeah..

Grow up Kizzy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Grow up Kizzy.

I'm not the one itchin to start bitchin after a 2 day 'forum holiday'

Best stick to the topic.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not the one itchin to start bitchin after a 2 day 'forum holiday'

Best stick to the topic.

You quoted me love. Brush up on your reading comprehension.

[Kizzy]

You quoted me first luv.
You picked me up on the word censor remember?...

[Kizzy]

Lol

Youtube video

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You quoted me first luv.
You picked me up on the word censor remember?...

And you call that bitching?

[Niamh.]

I've been thinking more about this and reading more comments and I came across this one and I thought yeah, you know what? that's a fair point too

why does everything women do have to be “empowering” or some feminist statement? why are russell brand and other mfs i care not to name mansplaining feminism to women? literally why can’t WAP just be a fun song, y’all spend too much time policing how women express themselves

https://extra.ie/2020/08/17/entertai...nd-cardi-b-wap

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've been thinking more about this and reading more comments and I came across this one and I thought yeah, you know what? that's a fair point too

why does everything women do have to be “empowering” or some feminist statement? why are russell brand and other mfs i care not to name mansplaining feminism to women? literally why can’t WAP just be a fun song, y’all spend too much time policing how women express themselves

https://extra.ie/2020/08/17/entertai...nd-cardi-b-wap

...yeah, that’s a good article as well...as much as I like Russell, I didn’t feel easy about his vid and the points he made...girls just wanna have fun but these things often only become ‘debates’ and debate worthy ...(for some males...)...when girls wanna have fun...this was all debate worthy for Russell at any old time but he only spoke up now...when girls are having fun...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've been thinking more about this and reading more comments and I came across this one and I thought yeah, you know what? that's a fair point too

why does everything women do have to be “empowering” or some feminist statement? why are russell brand and other mfs i care not to name mansplaining feminism to women? literally why can’t WAP just be a fun song, y’all spend too much time policing how women express themselves

https://extra.ie/2020/08/17/entertai...nd-cardi-b-wap

totally agree with that

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've been thinking more about this and reading more comments and I came across this one and I thought yeah, you know what? that's a fair point too

why does everything women do have to be “empowering” or some feminist statement? why are russell brand and other mfs i care not to name mansplaining feminism to women? literally why can’t WAP just be a fun song, y’all spend too much time policing how women express themselves

https://extra.ie/2020/08/17/entertai...nd-cardi-b-wap

But he was commenting on the people referring to it as feminism. He didn't just decide to start talking about it in feminist terms just because.

[Marsh.]

I could also level the accusation that... do feminists want men to be allies to that cause or will every man who dares to discuss issues surrounding it be called a mansplainer? It's a two-way street.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But he was commenting on the people referring to it as feminism. He didn't just decide to start talking about it in feminist terms just because.

I guess it applies more to Ben Shapiro who was the first one to bring feminism into it. I mean it probably should never have been put forward as a feminist argument in the first place because it never claimed to be a feminist statement

[Swan]

Popstars being edgy, nothing new.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, that’s a good article as well...as much as I like Russell, I didn’t feel easy about his vid and the points he made...girls just wanna have fun but these things often only become ‘debates’ and debate worthy ...(for some males...)...when girls wanna have fun...this was all debate worthy for Russell at any old time but he only spoke up now...when girls are having fun...

One could ask, though, is "boys just wanna have fun" (or more often, "boys will be boys") an excuse when male rappers/singers/trump/etc are objectifying women and glorifying aggressive sex? It feels, admittedly without pondering the issue too long, that many of us would quite LIKE to be able to continue criticising objectification and "locker room banter" and calling it out for what it is. That means also doing so when it's females "having their fun".

The idea that everyone should be fine with it/it being sexist not to be fine with it seems to be based on the entirely flimsy premise that "no one is bothered when men do it" when really, if we think about it for a minute, we obviously know that people are indeed bothered when men do it.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One could ask, though, is "boys just wanna have fun" (or more often, "boys will be boys") an excuse when male rappers/singers/trump/etc are objectifying women and glorifying aggressive sex? It feels, admittedly without pondering the issue too long, that many of us would quite LIKE to be able to continue criticising objectification and "locker room banter" and calling it out for what it is. That means also doing so when it's females "having their fun".

The idea that everyone should be fine with it/it being sexist not to be fine with it seems to be based on the entirely flimsy premise that "no one is bothered when men do it" when really, if we think about it for a minute, we obviously know that people are indeed bothered when men do it.

....hmmm, that isn’t what I said though, TS...none of what you say is what I said so I’m not sure why you’ve quoted me....I said ‘some males’ because I was specifically referring to Russell Brand and not feeling comfortable with his thoughts of the ‘use of sexual imagery and female potency’ in the song content and vid...and yet he...(..so far as I’m aware...)...has not expressed any similar thoughts about ‘the use of sexual imagery and male potency‘ at any time about any song content and vid, something that he’s known exists and yet he’s only expressed comment when it’s female artists...

....anyways, I think that I’ve said this all before as my thoughts ...and those are all the thoughts that I have about it atm...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I guess it applies more to Ben Shapiro who was the first one to bring feminism into it. I mean it probably should never have been put forward as a feminist argument in the first place because it never claimed to be a feminist statement

True.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And you call that bitching?

No, I called your snipe after your break bitching. I'd already clarified the censor issue long ago.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, I called your snipe after your break bitching. I'd already clarified the censor issue long ago.

Move on Kiz.