[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A girl I work with's partner is trying to get custody of his son, even has evidence that the boys mother has been sending him into town for groceries on his own. He's 5. Total madness. But because he has no signs of being physically abused or neglected in terms of being fed / clothed, no one is interested at all.

omg poor kid

[the truth]

Originally Posted by RichardG

The help is available for men just as much as it is for women. I've been going through a lot recently and just this Monday I went to my GP and already I've got an appointment for CBT tomorrow morning. People just need to move on from the silly idea that men are void of any emotion or feelings. If you're struggling, go to your GP. If they're half decent at their job then they're always there to help.

that is simply untrue Richard, but look luck with everything ...I hope it goes well for you

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A girl I work with's partner is trying to get custody of his son, even has evidence that the boys mother has been sending him into town for groceries on his own. He's 5. Total madness. But because he has no signs of being physically abused or neglected in terms of being fed / clothed, no one is interested at all.

..but that's bad and neglectful parenting though, TS...it's his mum in this specific case but neglectful parenting isn't gender specific either...in my own personal experiences though with child welfare and child protection, I've never found a situation where there was 'no interest' because of no signs of physical abuse/neglect, there has always been interest and there has always been action/investigations and referrals for help with the family...I think if that's the response her partner has got so far then he mustn't let it go because that's just not acceptable....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but that's bad and neglectful parenting though, TS...it's his mum in this specific case but neglectful parenting isn't gender specific either...in my own personal experiences though with child welfare and child protection, I've never found a situation where there was 'no interest' because of no signs of physical abuse/neglect, there has always been interest and there has always been action/investigations and referrals for help with the family...I think if that's the response her partner has got so far then he mustn't let it go because that's just not acceptable....

that's not the case around here at least not with the people ive known...it goes around in circles and eventually the social workers give up. the trouble is too, when people have 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 kids where are they supposed to live....then you get the people who breed dogs as well.....how on earth can you get all those kids and dogs into a regular 3 bedroom house? why don't these people consider this before endlessly shagging with no rubber

[JoshBB]

It is a huge problem, and one I think is created by toxic masculinity. Men feel that they have to hide any kind of emotion or they will be considered 'not manly' enough. It's horrible and is one example of sexism that men do actually face. As a feminist this is something I really do think needs addressing because any kind of sexism is dreadful to have exist in 2015, whether it be societal or political.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It is a huge problem, and one I think is created by toxic masculinity. Men feel that they have to hide any kind of emotion or they will be considered 'not manly' enough. It's horrible and is one example of sexism that men do actually face. As a feminist this is something I really do think needs addressing because any kind of sexism is dreadful to have exist in 2015, whether it be societal or political.

everyone says that , its become a cliché with little meaning, but its not so simple in reality.....women impose this on men too, women are not conditioned to ask men how they feel , women are conditioned frankly to care about themselves and their children....men working longer hours throughout their lives they work harder more physically demanding riskier jobs too so have less time to deal with their own problems and are no doubt too tired to do so half the time...especially as they have so little support in the courts in the nhs or mental health or with charities compared to the enormous support men get....furthermore society doesn't fund mens health to anything like the same level as womens, it doesn't get anywhere near the same attention and the amount of charities supporting women compared to men is astounding , theres literally 40 to every 1 for men...even when men so speak out they soon get shouted down as being sexist mysoginistic pigs if they lay any blame on a woman, so they don't speak out as their career is all they have left in many cases...so they cant win they do not have the same freedom of speech women have, men risk losing their jobs the moment they speak out....the support for men is simply not there, so even if they did find the time and energy to talk about their problems who are they going to talk to?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by the truth

that's not the case around here at least not with the people ive known...it goes around in circles and eventually the social workers give up. the trouble is too, when people have 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 kids where are they supposed to live....then you get the people who breed dogs as well.....how on earth can you get all those kids and dogs into a regular 3 bedroom house? why don't these people consider this before endlessly shagging with no rubber

..no I appreciate that it isn't always the case and the help isn't always readily there, truth..but I think that's the thing with working in a school and having lots of contact with these organisations and if a child/parent/or family need help, not letting go until they get it and get what they need....and I think that's what we have to do, if we feel help isn't there where it should be/for someone we know....don't stop shouting until you're heard, type thing...if it means going to your MP then do that as well...