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Old 27-05-2025, 07:10 AM #1
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Personally think we should be careful about broadening the definition of terrorism. If we just call every serious crime an act of terror then we might fail to address the roots of actual terrorism properly - that which is driven by dangerous ideologies. Plus anti-terrorism has it's own set of laws, standards and policing so we don't just want to start applying these to every crime

If there are two silver linings to this horror then it's that no one has died and that this wasn't terrorism (or so it seems for now) because that would have even more awful implications
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Personally think we should be careful about broadening the definition of terrorism. If we just call every serious crime an act of terror then we might fail to address the roots of actual terrorism properly - that which is driven by dangerous ideologies. Plus anti-terrorism has it's own set of laws, standards and policing so we don't just want to start applying these to every crime

If there are two silver linings to this horror then it's that no one has died and that this wasn't terrorism (or so it seems for now) because that would have even more awful implications


By now,

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he came out of a Pub/Bar,
then into his car.



Its in the Times Newspaper
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Was he fleeing an angry mob after clipping someone with his car. He did sound his horn as he drove..
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…it’s just another layer of ‘horror’ that such serious falsehoods can be posted on social media, which again…only incites…
Yeah very dangerous to be sharing images like that when we don't have the proper information

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Was he fleeing an angry mob after clipping someone with his car. He did sound his horn as he drove..
I read that alright, people saying he got stuck and hit someone and the mob started smashing his windows and that's when he started hitting more people ( obviously he shouldn't have been driving in there though)
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Yeah very dangerous to be sharing images like that when we don't have the proper information



I read that alright, people saying he got stuck and hit someone and the mob started smashing his windows and that's when he started hitting more people ( obviously he shouldn't have been driving in there though)



He must have beeen terrified. 1st thing a thought about when I saw the footage was the 2 soldiers being dragged from their car when they took a wrong turning at an IRA funeral.
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Horrific, absolutely horrific.
It's hard to imagine the fear that those witnessing this, and who were injured because of it felt too.
Thankfully so far, no loss of life however what number now have massively life changing injuries.
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Horrific, absolutely horrific.
It's hard to imagine the fear that those witnessing this, and who were injured because of it felt too.
Thankfully so far, no loss of life however what number now have massively life changing injuries.
instate more armed military personnel patrolling the streets to prevent people acting too crazy


more nice between the lines and stricter rules for social gatherings
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more nice between the lines and stricter rules for social gatherings
The purpose of terror is for us to change how we live which is pretty much what you're advocating. Last time a copper shot someone, a known criminal, gang member and drug dealer, the copper's name was released to the public putting him and his whole family in jeopardy, and he still faces
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The purpose of terror is for us to change how we live which is pretty much what you're advocating. Last time a copper shot someone, a known criminal, gang member and drug dealer, the copper's name was released to the public putting him and his whole family in jeopardy, he had a £10,000 bounty on his head and he still faces a tribunal despite being found not guilty. I wouldn't want more police in that position.
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Owen Jones speaking live on Ch5HD AM show
said he watched the online-only video
Then wish he had not.

He also stated Online
before the Police spoke,
People were saying it's a Muslim.

So he understands why the Police said
The driver was White.
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Yep, loooks like the crowd caused this to me..

https://youtu.be/xZczlsQwSlk?si=L2ld7sGW_56xMLfS
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Yep, loooks like the crowd caused this to me..

https://youtu.be/xZczlsQwSlk?si=L2ld7sGW_56xMLfS
That looks horrifically scary, and the shouts of kill him ...awful

Looking at that it looks like this was a horrible accident caused by panic on both sides
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Yep, loooks like the crowd caused this to me..

https://youtu.be/xZczlsQwSlk?si=L2ld7sGW_56xMLfS
I wouldn't say caused it, he shouldn't have been driving on that road through the crowd anyway but it does put a different spin on it. If reports are true that he was drink driving and went to drive on a road that was closed, he very much caused it
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I wouldn't say caused it, he shouldn't have been driving on that road through the crowd anyway but it does put a different spin on it. If reports are true that he was drink driving and went to drive on a road that was closed, he very much caused it
…this is also why the police publish cautions about stuff said and shown on social media platforms etc…correct/factual information will take time for the officials to put together and get that more accurate picture and in the meantime there is so much speculation which is also very dangerous…I mean, even in mainstream media they’re using descriptives such as ‘ploughed into…’…and that’s quite an citing word…it’s feeling more and more in danger of becoming a ‘lawless society’….
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…anyway, as Niamh said…if it proves to be the case that alcohol was involved in impairing judgement and that person should never have got behind the wheel of their car then there is a huge responsibility and accountability on them for the events that unfolded in terms of others being harmed…
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I wouldn't say caused it, he shouldn't have been driving on that road through the crowd anyway but it does put a different spin on it. If reports are true that he was drink driving and went to drive on a road that was closed, he very much caused it
Contributed to it then..let's settle for that.
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Contributed to it then..let's settle for that.
As Ammi said, it's all speculation at this point anyway
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As Ammi said, it's all speculation at this point anyway
But is it? What with all the varying videos circulating.
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There should have been emergency services who were able to intervene before it got to that point, he's right by an ambulance
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There's is also police standing by watching people rip his door open and climb into the vehicle when it eventually stopped..
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A road that was closed to traffic.....
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Drunk or sober, it's still a natural reaction to fight or flight.
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He may not have made the decisions he did if he wasn't drunk though and he may not have panicked so quickly, he really ploughed through people when he drove forwards
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He may not have made the decisions he did if he was drunk though and he may not have panicked so quickly, he really ploughed through people when he drove forwards
Yeah being aware of driving through people and still continuing, while I think still being somewhat explained by "fight or flight", feels more like a blind rage than a panicked "fleeing". Feels more like "red mist" / anger than panic. Of course both can be a fear response.
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