[caprimint]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he is the president, of course he decides what people do at his rallies, he said no masks and no social distancing ...you reap what you sow

People do what they wanna do

Imagine being like "oh well I was TOLD what to do here"

Nah. People make their own decisions

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he is the president, of course he decides what people do at his rallies, he said no masks and no social distancing ...you reap what you sow

He purposely goes against the wishes of the local officials who have banned mass gatherings for the sake of their residents health, so he can hold his cult meetings, he puts the health of his countrys citizens at risk to make himself feel better, his entire handling of this pandemic will be investigated for years once he’s out of office, on top of everything else he’s done, I can’t wait to see him at The Hague

[bots]

Originally Posted by caprimint

People do what they wanna do

Imagine being like "oh well I was TOLD what to do here"

Nah. People make their own decisions

i'm sorry but you are totally wrong ... try reading, it might help

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is anyone posting what Donald should have done (bearing in mind its the United States and not the UK ie each state is like an individual country)

maybe members could list 5 things that should have been done and also include the economic impact and how that would have affected health?

[caprimint]

Yep, not sure what they would have done different if they were the next PM

[Josy]

Stick to the topic.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Yep, not sure what they would have done different if they were the next PM

Wore a mask. Not sacrificed lives out of sheer bloody mindedness.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Wore a mask. Not sacrificed lives out of sheer bloody mindedness.

Already better than Trump and Boris combined

[bots]

even if Trump has mild symptoms, this will likely floor him and sap his energy and don't forget that the message coming out from our government was that Boris had mild symptoms and was in high spirits ... even as he was being wheeled into intensive care. Administrations never tell the truth on a leaders health, so the next couple of weeks are going to be interesting, but don't believe the prepared message, it's rarely true

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Wore a mask. Not sacrificed lives out of sheer bloody mindedness.

If I’m not mistaken you weren’t happy about masks at first

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

If I’m not mistaken you weren’t happy about masks at first

People can change their minds on things, I know what a crazy concept

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

If I’m not mistaken you weren’t happy about masks at first

You're mistaken. I have always been quite happy to wear a mask. Don't get me wrong they aren't exactly a fashion accessory but needs must.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

you can't say anything by now, you can only now after a week if he'll develop symptoms, and what kind, if it are mild symptoms or worse

That’s a good point .. one thing I recall about that first wave was the number of people who weren’t too ill and felt better after a week or so BUT then suddenly got very , very poorly very quickly


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[Barry.]

I don’t like trump but I hope he recovers

[Josy]

if I see any more vile personal comments its immediate bans either stick to the topic within the rules or dont post in the thread

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I havent defended his handling nor did I criticise other leaders who have similarly struggled to contain the pandemic. I'm not the one wishing death on people for it. My point was not trying to make it right vs left but the contrary (that there's not much correlation between political leanings and success against the virus), was just interested to see who made your list of people who's Covid policy meant they deserved death.

You definitely are making it a Right vs Left issue since you chose to use a left wing example as a 'gotcha' which completely flopped since I don't care which side someone falls on if they are dangerously incompetent, can you say the same?

If we were talking about Putin, or Kim Jong Un, or any other world leader who has caused suffering on a mass scale, would you be making out that people were evil for not caring if they lived or died? I think not.

As I said before, in majority of the post you chose to ignore because it deflated your argument completely that it's as much local government's fault as federal, The large number of deaths in the US is purely down to Trump's leadership downplaying the virus and turning it into a political weapon against the left. So many people are convinced it's not real or not a problem because of him and, as I said before, that's proven by looking at red states and states in which Trump Allies are in charge of, which tend to be the worst hit by the virus. Brazil is also high in Covid deaths and that's no doubt down to Bolsonero being similarly dismissive of Covid like Trump is. It's common sense really, if you have a leader that's spreading misinformation and is downplaying the virus, the country they run will suffer for it.

You're trying to make me out to be some vicious evil person for not caring about someone whose incompetence has caused so much loss for hundreds of thousands of families. My sympathy goes to them, not the monster that enabled such widespread death.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Never. Masks do **** all and should not be a thing.

Science disagrees.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Barry.

I don’t like trump but I hope he recovers

Great post

[bots]

there is more info coming out on trumps health. They are giving him anti body treatment and he is fatigued and he has a fever, so there is a level of concern

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Science disagrees.

Well there was a microbiologist on ITV a week or so ago saying that you can fit 250,000 Covid particles on a pinhead which equates to an ant walking through some park gates when you think your mask is gonna protect you ( or anyone else ) .
Masks simply catch the bigger droplets ..


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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well there was a microbiologist on ITV a week or so ago saying that you can fit 250,000 Covid particles on a pinhead which equates to an ant walking through some park gates when you think your mask is gonna protect you ( or anyone else ) .
Masks simply catch the bigger droplets ..


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Well, you said it yourself, masks do something.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well, you said it yourself, masks do something.

Very , very little though .... was his point


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[bots]

breaking news, Trump is being transferred to hospital

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You definitely are making it a Right vs Left issue since you chose to use a left wing example as a 'gotcha' which completely flopped since I don't care which side someone falls on if they are dangerously incompetent, can you say the same?

If we were talking about Putin, or Kim Jong Un, or any other world leader who has caused suffering on a mass scale, would you be making out that people were evil for not caring if they lived or died? I think not.

As I said before, in majority of the post you chose to ignore because it deflated your argument completely that it's as much local government's fault as federal, The large number of deaths in the US is purely down to Trump's leadership downplaying the virus and turning it into a political weapon against the left. So many people are convinced it's not real or not a problem because of him and, as I said before, that's proven by looking at red states and states in which Trump Allies are in charge of, which tend to be the worst hit by the virus. Brazil is also high in Covid deaths and that's no doubt down to Bolsonero being similarly dismissive of Covid like Trump is. It's common sense really, if you have a leader that's spreading misinformation and is downplaying the virus, the country they run will suffer for it.

You're trying to make me out to be some vicious evil person for not caring about someone whose incompetence has caused so much loss for hundreds of thousands of families. My sympathy goes to them, not the monster that enabled such widespread death.

Again I'm not the one accusing leaders of being 'monsters', 'dangerously incompetent' and having 'enabled widespread death' so I don't need to say the same - I haven't used that language about anyone because I think it's disproportionate and irresponsible

There's two issues here - one is how well/badly Trump has handled the pandemic; the second is whether he deserves to die for it. I am solely arguing on the second one: that he does not deserve to die.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

breaking news, Trump is being transferred to hospital

Yes Walter Reed Hospital
he has a Fever