[Crimson Dynamo]

At the National Prayer Breakfast , President Obama made a statement:

Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.



Said former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, a Republican, “The president’s comments this morning at the prayer breakfast are the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime … He has offended every believing Christian in the United States.” Added Bill Donohue, the president of the Catholic League

I am sorry but the "leader of the free world" thinks that muttering under your breath will be heard by some god thing in the sky who watches 20,000 die a day from hunger

no wonder the world is f ucked up


Only when America tells the world that religion is made up rubbish will we move on as the human race

what do you think?

[user104658]

Come-on now Lt, you're on TiBB. Didn't you know that in the Big Book of Alternate Tibby Histories, the crusades and the Spanish inquisition didn't happen? They are just made up tales designed to discredit Jesus. Probably invented by Muslims. Obama is probably a covert Muslim. Why else would he ever say anything about Christianity that isn't entirely positive? I literally can't think of any reason. Get him waterboarded quick smart, he'll sell out his ISIS masters in no time, and we can get a proper Jesus loving president in place!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Come-on now Lt, you're on TiBB. Didn't you know that in the Big Book of Alternate Tibby Histories, the crusades and the Spanish inquisition didn't happen? They are just made up tales designed to discredit Jesus. Probably invented by Muslims. Obama is probably a covert Muslim. Why else would he ever say anything about Christianity that isn't entirely positive? I literally can't think of any reason. Get him waterboarded quick smart, he'll sell out his ISIS masters in no time, and we can get a proper Jesus loving president in place!"

Nowhere on this forum has any member ever claimed that “the crusades and the Spanish inquisition didn't happen”, and neither has anyone on here claimed that such historical events are;”just made up tales designed to discredit Jesus”, or claimed that the above were “Probably invented by Muslims”? Consequentially, therefore, TIBB members are not so poorly informed and ‘low-brow’ to believe in any fictitious “Big Book of Alternate Tibby Histories” and any statement which maintains otherwise is plainly ludicrous – yet, any non-TIBB member who is surfing the internet and encounters the above post and its totally non factual comments without further examination of this excellent forum, will be forgiven for believing that the general intellectual standard of its members is woefully low, when the polar opposite is true.

This is supposed to be a SERIOUS DEBATE thread where adult members maturely debate and discuss serious topics with truth, integrity and informed opinion. Politics, terrorism, and religion, are all very serious subjects which are currently creating increasingly widening schisms throughout the world, and spurious statements such as those above, unnecessarily cause offence and really have no place on a Serious Discussion thread – in my opinion.

If we are to debate this very serious issue, then it is imperative that we do not start from deliberately false premises and do not continue with confused misconceptions - as is clearly the case in the above post.

As for Barak Hussein Obama; the evidence that he is a Muslim in thought, word and deed, is preponderous, overwhelming, and irrefutable to any rational, impartial, and sane researcher.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

As for Barak Hussein Obama; the evidence that he is a Muslim in thought, word and deed, is preponderous, overwhelming, and irrefutable to any rational, impartial, and sane researcher.

What evidence would that be, besides his middle name which is apparently so necessary to include?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What evidence would that be, besides his middle name which is apparently so necessary to include?

I apologise for the delay in responding Matt, but I got drawn in elsewhere on here – unfortunately. This is going to be a long post , but could have been ten times longer because of the sheer weight of evidence that Obama is a Muslim. I have 28 pages on Obama and this very subject in my own files alone which are the result of researching and cross referencing internet articles, newspaper articles, and excerpts from 2 books (I’m currently writing a thriller novel ) I have found the usual articles which rebut some of which I post here, but after extensive past and recent cross checking, I'm inclined to believe this which I post.

Can I start with the name which is Obama’s:

HUSSEIN

This strictly Muslim name is reputedly unheard of prior to first being used by the prophet Muhammad when he named his grandson Husayn ibn Ali after claiming that he had been commanded to do so by the archangel Gabriel.

BACKGROUND
1) Obama was born a Muslim because his real father, Barack Obama Sr. was Muslim. So Obama was raised as a Muslim.

2)When Obama’s mother divorced Obama Sr, She married another Muslim - Lolo Soetoro. So Obama continued to be raised as a Muslim:

3) Obama's own half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng states: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim."

4) In 1967 Obama’s family relocated to the predominantly Muslim country of Indonesia and Obama's first school was ‘Francis of Assisi’ a Catholic School which catered for other Faiths. Documents show that each student had to choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering – Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Barack Hussein Obama – now using the name Barry Soetoro – registered his faith as Muslim.

5)A former Indonesian classmate of Obama’s - Rony Amir - is on record as stating that; “All the relatives of Barry's (Obama’s alias) father were very devout Muslims" and describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

6) Obama’s second school in Indonesia was the ‘Besuki’ Public School in Jakarta, where ‘Barry’ also registered his faith as Muslim.

7) Teachers and former classmates confirm that he enrolled as a Muslim.

8) As a Muslim pupil, Obama studied the Quran two hours every week.

9) In his autobiography, ‘Dreams of My Father’, Obama relates how he got into trouble for clowning around during “Koranic studies” confirming that he was a Muslim.

10) Nicholas D. Kristof of ‘The New York Times’ reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them him with a “first-rate accent."

11) Obama's half-sister recalled that the family (including Obama) attended the mosque "for big communal events.

12) Obama’s childhood friends state that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque."

13) Not only is it on record that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." Zulfin Adi – an Indonesian Muslim friend of Obama’s states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong"

14) Indeed Matt, Obama himself has stated that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice (Islam)" a statement which though designed to rebut claims that he is a Muslim, actually confirms that he is – practicing or not. (The claim that he is non-practicing is a lie anyway).

15) When questioned, Obama’s PR spokesperson went on record as saying that he couldn’t answer why Obama was listed as a Muslim at both his Indonesian schools and emphasised: . "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim."

16) However, when further pressed less than a couple of months later, the Obama PR Office “retreated from that absolute statement and instead issued a more nuanced one: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim." Again, this distinction actually confirms that he is a Muslim.

Matt, the evidence that Obama was born and raised a Muslim is irrefutable in my opinion, but it is the depths of his deceit in trying to conceal this fact, and the hypocrisy of cloaking his Islamic faith under Christianity which I find highly suspect and very sinister.

So let’s see what Obama himself says about his faith and see if it tallies with the truth above.

Here’s Barack Hussein Obama’s declarations prior to securing the presidency, where he denies being a Muslim, denies ever having been a Muslim, and repeatedly stresses what a devout Christian he is:

Lie No 1) Barak Obama December 2007:
"I've always been a Christian......... The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country [Kenya]. But I've never practiced Islam."

Lie No 2)Barak Obama February 2008:
"I have never been a Muslim. … other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child [Indonesia, 1967-71] I have very little connection to the Islamic religion."

Lie No 3) 12th Nov 2008 - Obama’s Campaign Website when he was running for the presidency:
"Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim," and: "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

Lie No 4) 22nd Dec 2008 – When explaining his Muslim heritage: “My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam. … For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn't practice.”

Now let’s just study the devout Christian image he projected during his 2008 Presidential Campaign as in this below taken from just one of his campaign leaflets:

“Guided by his Christian faith, Barack Obama is the leader we can trust....”

“Barak Obama: Committed Christian”

“I believe in the power of prayer”

“We do what we do because God is with us....

"When Moses was first called to lead his people to the promised land, he said, “I don’t think I can do it Lord, I don’t feel brave and courageous”. The Lord said, “I will be with you, I’ll show you what to do”

And then let’s weigh the above against his statements and actions concerning Christianity, since:

1) Prior to giving a televised speech from the ‘Gaston Hall’ in the Georgetown University, the White House requested the university to “cover over” a monogram symbolizing Jesus Christ’s name which would be in camera shot behind the President. “The Gold ‘IHS’ monogram inscribed on a pediment in the hall was covered over by a piece of black-painted plywood, and remained covered over the next day”.

Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity and the Bible.

2) “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”

3) “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

4) “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”

5) “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”

6) “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

And this last proves Obama’s lies that his mother (who was a ‘secular humanist) was a Christian and so he was “raised as a Christian” –

7) “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”

OBAMA AND ISLAM
1) Obama is on record as stating that:” The Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset and recited the opening lines; ‘Allah is supreme.... I witness that there is no God but Allah’ in a perfect Arabic accent.

2) Obama personally raised nearly $1 million dollars and campaigned for a Kenyan President who had a written agreement with Islamic leaders pledging to convert Kenya to an Islamic State which bans Christianity.

3) Obama stated that the autobiography of infamous black Muslim activist Malcolm X “inspired him in his youth”.

4) Obama visited several mosques whilst on a political trip to Kenya but did not visit any of the many churches or even the National Temple.

5) Obama enjoyed a bigger increase in voter support in 2008 (compared to 2004) by Muslims than by any other voting group, including blacks; "Muslim turnout in the U.S. elections reached 95 percent, the highest Muslim turnout in U.S. history."

6) Obama rarely attends church or has church services in the White House and when ‘President-elect’ he never attended [Sunday] church services – a departure from the example of his two immediate predecessors.

7) At the G-20 summit in April 2009, Obama bowed deeply to Saudi King Abdullah, a Muslim who is also the 'Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques'. This caused an outrage because no other US President in history had ever displayed such obsequious deference to any foreign official, and Obama himself has never bowed to any other Royal Leaders. Obama later stated, "We have to change our behavior in showing the Muslim world greater respect".

8) In 2006, Obama gave an irreverent speech about using the Bible in public policy. “It resembled a stand-up comedy act, with Obama making fun of the books of the Torah, The Ten Commandments and The Sermon on The Mount, and other key Biblical passages.

9) On September 25, 2012, in his address to The United Nations General Assembly, Obama stated that: "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam"

10) Obama's spiritual mentor of 20 years, Rev. J. Wright explained in an interview "that Barack Obama was steeped in Islam when he first met him," and said that he “made it comfortable” for Obama to accept Christianity without having renounce his Islamic background.” (something Obama was concerned about).

11) Obama selected Chuck Hagel – a former Republican senator “most sympathetic to Muslim positions in the Middle East” - to be Secretary of Defense despite intense objections by both political parties. The ‘Iranian State Press’ approved of his choice.

12) During a televised interview with George Stephanopoulos, whilst discussing whether John McCain's campaign has suggested that Obama is not a Christian, Obama committed a huge ‘faux pas’ when he said that:“John McCain had not talked about my Muslim faith” .Stephanopoulos, aware of this Freudian slip' and the potential outrage, then suggested that Obama change his answer to refer instead to "Christian faith."

13) In a recent speech on Islamic terrorism, Obama stated that: “ISIL is not 'Islamic.' No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state; it was formerly al Qaeda's affiliate in Iraq and has taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border. It is recognized by no government nor by the people it subjugates."

14) “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”

15)“As a student of history, I also know civilisation’s debt to Islam.

16) “Islam has always been part of America”

17) “We will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”.

18) “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.”

19)“Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”

20) “Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.” (His he for real???)

22)“Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality.

23) The Holy Koran tells us, ‘O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.’”

24)“I look forward to hosting an after dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”

25)“That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

Transcript: President Obama's ISIS speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CseUglupmZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKMiRxnRN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaKeWwE0t7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yro63c7B7A

[letmein]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I apologise for the delay in responding Matt, but I got drawn in elsewhere on here – unfortunately. This is going to be a long post , but could have been ten times longer because of the sheer weight of evidence that Obama is a Muslim. I have 28 pages on Obama and this very subject in my own files alone which are the result of researching and cross referencing internet articles, newspaper articles, and excerpts from 2 books (I’m currently writing a thriller novel ) I have found the usual articles which rebut some of which I post here, but after extensive past and recent cross checking, I'm inclined to believe this which I post.

Can I start with the name which is Obama’s:

HUSSEIN

This strictly Muslim name is reputedly unheard of prior to first being used by the prophet Muhammad when he named his grandson Husayn ibn Ali after claiming that he had been commanded to do so by the archangel Gabriel.

BACKGROUND
1) Obama was born a Muslim because his real father, Barack Obama Sr. was Muslim. So Obama was raised as a Muslim.

2)When Obama’s mother divorced Obama Sr, She married another Muslim - Lolo Soetoro. So Obama continued to be raised as a Muslim:

3) Obama's own half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng states: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim."

4) In 1967 Obama’s family relocated to the predominantly Muslim country of Indonesia and Obama's first school was ‘Francis of Assisi’ a Catholic School which catered for other Faiths. Documents show that each student had to choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering – Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Barack Hussein Obama – now using the name Barry Soetoro – registered his faith as Muslim.

5)A former Indonesian classmate of Obama’s - Rony Amir - is on record as stating that; “All the relatives of Barry's (Obama’s alias) father were very devout Muslims" and describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

6) Obama’s second school in Indonesia was the ‘Besuki’ Public School in Jakarta, where ‘Barry’ also registered his faith as Muslim.

7) Teachers and former classmates confirm that he enrolled as a Muslim.

8) As a Muslim pupil, Obama studied the Quran two hours every week.

9) In his autobiography, ‘Dreams of My Father’, Obama relates how he got into trouble for clowning around during “Koranic studies” confirming that he was a Muslim.

10) Nicholas D. Kristof of ‘The New York Times’ reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them him with a “first-rate accent."

11) Obama's half-sister recalled that the family (including Obama) attended the mosque "for big communal events.

12) Obama’s childhood friends state that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque."

13) Not only is it on record that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." Zulfin Adi – an Indonesian Muslim friend of Obama’s states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong"

14) Indeed Matt, Obama himself has stated that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice (Islam)" a statement which though designed to rebut claims that he is a Muslim, actually confirms that he is – practicing or not. (The claim that he is non-practicing is a lie anyway).

15) When questioned, Obama’s PR spokesperson went on record as saying that he couldn’t answer why Obama was listed as a Muslim at both his Indonesian schools and emphasised: . "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim."

16) However, when further pressed less than a couple of months later, the Obama PR Office “retreated from that absolute statement and instead issued a more nuanced one: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim." Again, this distinction actually confirms that he is a Muslim.

Matt, the evidence that Obama was born and raised a Muslim is irrefutable in my opinion, but it is the depths of his deceit in trying to conceal this fact, and the hypocrisy of cloaking his Islamic faith under Christianity which I find highly suspect and very sinister.

So let’s see what Obama himself says about his faith and see if it tallies with the truth above.

Here’s Barack Hussein Obama’s declarations prior to securing the presidency, where he denies being a Muslim, denies ever having been a Muslim, and repeatedly stresses what a devout Christian he is:

Lie No 1) Barak Obama December 2007:
"I've always been a Christian......... The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country [Kenya]. But I've never practiced Islam."

Lie No 2)Barak Obama February 2008:
"I have never been a Muslim. … other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child [Indonesia, 1967-71] I have very little connection to the Islamic religion."

Lie No 3) 12th Nov 2008 - Obama’s Campaign Website when he was running for the presidency:
"Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim," and: "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

Lie No 4) 22nd Dec 2008 – When explaining his Muslim heritage: “My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam. … For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn't practice.”

Now let’s just study the devout Christian image he projected during his 2008 Presidential Campaign as in this below taken from just one of his campaign leaflets:

“Guided by his Christian faith, Barack Obama is the leader we can trust....”

“Barak Obama: Committed Christian”

“I believe in the power of prayer”

“We do what we do because God is with us....

"When Moses was first called to lead his people to the promised land, he said, “I don’t think I can do it Lord, I don’t feel brave and courageous”. The Lord said, “I will be with you, I’ll show you what to do”

And then let’s weigh the above against his statements and actions concerning Christianity, since:

1) Prior to giving a televised speech from the ‘Gaston Hall’ in the Georgetown University, the White House requested the university to “cover over” a monogram symbolizing Jesus Christ’s name which would be in camera shot behind the President. “The Gold ‘IHS’ monogram inscribed on a pediment in the hall was covered over by a piece of black-painted plywood, and remained covered over the next day”.

Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity and the Bible.

2) “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”

3) “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

4) “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”

5) “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”

6) “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

And this last proves Obama’s lies that his mother (who was a ‘secular humanist) was a Christian and so he was “raised as a Christian” –

7) “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”

OBAMA AND ISLAM
1) Obama is on record as stating that:” The Muslim call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset and recited the opening lines; ‘Allah is supreme.... I witness that there is no God but Allah’ in a perfect Arabic accent.

2) Obama personally raised nearly $1 million dollars and campaigned for a Kenyan President who had a written agreement with Islamic leaders pledging to convert Kenya to an Islamic State which bans Christianity.

3) Obama stated that the autobiography of infamous black Muslim activist Malcolm X “inspired him in his youth”.

4) Obama visited several mosques whilst on a political trip to Kenya but did not visit any of the many churches or even the National Temple.

5) Obama enjoyed a bigger increase in voter support in 2008 (compared to 2004) by Muslims than by any other voting group, including blacks; "Muslim turnout in the U.S. elections reached 95 percent, the highest Muslim turnout in U.S. history."

6) Obama rarely attends church or has church services in the White House and when ‘President-elect’ he never attended [Sunday] church services – a departure from the example of his two immediate predecessors.

7) At the G-20 summit in April 2009, Obama bowed deeply to Saudi King Abdullah, a Muslim who is also the 'Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques'. This caused an outrage because no other US President in history had ever displayed such obsequious deference to any foreign official, and Obama himself has never bowed to any other Royal Leaders. Obama later stated, "We have to change our behavior in showing the Muslim world greater respect".

8) In 2006, Obama gave an irreverent speech about using the Bible in public policy. “It resembled a stand-up comedy act, with Obama making fun of the books of the Torah, The Ten Commandments and The Sermon on The Mount, and other key Biblical passages.

9) On September 25, 2012, in his address to The United Nations General Assembly, Obama stated that: "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam"

10) Obama's spiritual mentor of 20 years, Rev. J. Wright explained in an interview "that Barack Obama was steeped in Islam when he first met him," and said that he “made it comfortable” for Obama to accept Christianity without having renounce his Islamic background.” (something Obama was concerned about).

11) Obama selected Chuck Hagel – a former Republican senator “most sympathetic to Muslim positions in the Middle East” - to be Secretary of Defense despite intense objections by both political parties. The ‘Iranian State Press’ approved of his choice.

12) During a televised interview with George Stephanopoulos, whilst discussing whether John McCain's campaign has suggested that Obama is not a Christian, Obama committed a huge ‘faux pas’ when he said that:“John McCain had not talked about my Muslim faith” .Stephanopoulos, aware of this Freudian slip' and the potential outrage, then suggested that Obama change his answer to refer instead to "Christian faith."

13) In a recent speech on Islamic terrorism, Obama stated that: “ISIL is not 'Islamic.' No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state; it was formerly al Qaeda's affiliate in Iraq and has taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border. It is recognized by no government nor by the people it subjugates."

14) “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”

15)“As a student of history, I also know civilisation’s debt to Islam.

16) “Islam has always been part of America”

17) “We will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”.

18) “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.”

19)“Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”

20) “Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.” (His he for real???)

22)“Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality.

23) The Holy Koran tells us, ‘O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.’”

24)“I look forward to hosting an after dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”

25)“That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

Transcript: President Obama's ISIS speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CseUglupmZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKMiRxnRN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaKeWwE0t7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yro63c7B7A

Snopes is not your friend, hon.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

You copied and pasted most of this trash from Conservapedia, which is a far-Right Christian fundamentalist web site:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Obama's_Religion

Rational Wiki sums them up in a frank and funny way:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia

You should also research Conservapedia's so-called sources. Stop being lazy.

[Mystic Mock]

Poor Obama his gonna get massacred for this.

I do agree with him that Christianity aren't saints either, but Islam is becoming a worldwide problem, they don't accept other peoples way of life, and to convert them some of them think it's okay to bomb people, torture people, and other violent acts, then some of the less extreme ones try to force anybody outside of the Religion to convert into being a Muslim if you want to be with the parents child.

Then of course you've got your moderate and sane Muslims, and they're the ones that can try and change this from within as they won't listen to the UK, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, most of India, China, Mayanmar/Burma, Japan, and a lot of other countries, but if anyone is gonna change that nutball of a Religion it is the moderates.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Poor Obama his gonna get massacred for this.

I do agree with him that Christianity aren't saints either, but Islam is becoming a worldwide problem, they don't accept other peoples way of life, and to convert them some of them think it's okay to bomb people, torture people, and other violent acts, then some of the less extreme ones try to force anybody outside of the Religion to convert into being a Muslim if you want to be with the parents child.

Then of course you've got your moderate and sane Muslims, and they're the ones that can try and change this from within as they won't listen to the UK, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, most of India, China, Mayanmar/Burma, Japan, and a lot of other countries, but if anyone is gonna change that nutball of a Religion it is the moderates.

I am unfortunately living in a muslim country and yeah most of the muslim people here are disrespectful. However most of the muslim people in here doesnt think it is okay to bomb people or torture people, that is just what stupid isis do.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MelihV

I am unfortunately living in a muslim country and yeah most of the muslim people here are disrespectful. However most of the muslim people in here doesnt think it is okay to bomb people or torture people, that is just what stupid isis do.

Turkey does seem like it's the head country for moderate Muslims though, hopefully other Muslim countries will follow their lead someday.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Turkey does seem like it's the head country for moderate Muslims though, hopefully other Muslim countries will follow their lead someday.

Turkey can do amazing things to lead other muslim countries however Turkey has lots of problems inside because of this goverment. Between 1. world and 2. world war turkey proved they could do amazing things and i hope it will fix itself and do good things again.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Poor Obama his gonna get massacred for this.

I do agree with him that Christianity aren't saints either, but Islam is becoming a worldwide problem, they don't accept other peoples way of life, and to convert them some of them think it's okay to bomb people, torture people, and other violent acts, then some of the less extreme ones try to force anybody outside of the Religion to convert into being a Muslim if you want to be with the parents child.

Then of course you've got your moderate and sane Muslims, and they're the ones that can try and change this from within as they won't listen to the UK, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, most of India, China, Mayanmar/Burma, Japan, and a lot of other countries, but if anyone is gonna change that nutball of a Religion it is the moderates.

There is so much wrong with this post I'm not even gonna waste my time on it

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Hayden

There is so much wrong with this post I'm not even gonna waste my time on it

Go on.....give it your best shot , After all no point just posting to say you are not going to post.








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[arista]

Yes the President
is in his own world
upsetting the Americans
on CNBC , CNN America , CBS News
and FoxNewsHD

[letmein]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes the President
is in his own world
upsetting the Americans
on CNBC , CNN America , CBS News
and FoxNewsHD

Uh, no, but thanks for playing.

[Tom4784]

People will always use religion to justify horrific acts, Obama's right to say that Christianity is no better or different to Islam.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People will always use religion to justify horrific acts, Obama's right to say that Christianity is no better or different to Islam.

The difference being that the horrific acts comminted by Christians were in the past. Such horrific acts commited by Islam are on-going and used as a constant threat in an attempt to create a climate of fear.

As the human race has generally become more civilised we are supposed to know better.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

The difference being that the horrific acts comminted by Christians were in the past. Such horrific acts commited by Islam are on-going and used as a constant threat in an attempt to create a climate of fear.

As the human race has generally become more civilised we are supposed to know better.

It doesn't matter that it happened in the past, one day Isis will be a thing of the past but it won't make their crimes any less grave.

Also it's ignorant to say that these acts are being committed by Islam, it's not. Not every Muslim is declaring jihad. It's a small minority that are using Islam to justify their crimes. They aren't even following it properly as, if I recall, using fire to harm others is a huge no no according to the Qu'ran. These people are just using religion to take advantage of vulnerable people and their fears to line their own pockets.

It's like saying that all Christians are peadophiles because of the actions of a few priests. It's a ridiculous notion and I will never understand why people think it's okay to tar an entire religion's worth of people with the same brush.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't matter that it happened in the past, one day Isis will be a thing of the past but it won't make their crimes any less grave.

Also it's ignorant to say that these acts are being committed by Islam, it's not. Not every Muslim is declaring jihad. It's a small minority that are using Islam to justify their crimes. They aren't even following it properly as, if I recall, using fire to harm others is a huge no no according to the Qu'ran. These people are just using religion to take advantage of vulnerable people and their fears to line their own pockets.

It's like saying that all Christians are peadophiles because of the actions of a few priests. It's a ridiculous notion and I will never understand why people think it's okay to tar an entire religion's worth of people with the same brush.

What happened in the past is different to what is happening now - because we can't do anything about it - only learn from it. And most religions have.

Now is what counts and many Muslims, allegedly in the name of Islam, are using it now. You certainly can't excuse it by saying that one day that will be in the past too. Ridiculous point.

A few priests hardly compares to the number of Muslims currently involved in Islamic violence and threatening world peace so attempting to make such a comparison is ridiculous.

I don't believe in tarring people with the same brush, but I still don't see enough outrage and condemnation of these acts coming from Muslims, including English Muslims, to believe the majority of Muslims are against it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What happened in the past is different to what is happening now - because we can't do anything about it - only learn from it. And most religions have.

Now is what counts and many Muslims, allegedly in the name of Islam, are using it now. You certainly can't excuse it by saying that one day that will be in the past too. Ridiculous point.

A few priests hardly compares to the number of Muslims currently involved in Islamic violence and threatening world peace so attempting to make such a comparison is ridiculous.

I don't believe in tarring people with the same brush, but I still don't see enough outrage and condemnation of these acts coming from Muslims, including English Muslims, to believe the majority of Muslims are against it.

I'm not comparing the crimes, I'm comparing people's reactions to them. People are quick to separate religion from the crime if the religion in question is Christianity but if a Muslim commits a crime then you expect the whole religion to be dragged over hot coals for it.

There's plenty of Muslims out there that are condemning the actions of Isis but they'll never get representation in the media because it goes against the image of what the media wants Islam to be. Fear sells and most mainstream media outlets want Islam to be their boogeyman. Just because you don't look for it doesn't mean that all of Islam are complacent and happy enough to let Isis do what they want.

Remember, Isis have killed more Muslims than anyone else of any other creed or race. Muslims have more of a reason to oppose Isis than anyone and they do, it's just that it'll never get highlighted in the media since it won't sell as much as fear and hatred will.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

What happened in the past is different to what is happening now - because we can't do anything about it - only learn from it. And most religions have.

Now is what counts and many Muslims, allegedly in the name of Islam, are using it now. You certainly can't excuse it by saying that one day that will be in the past too. Ridiculous point.

A few priests hardly compares to the number of Muslims currently involved in Islamic violence and threatening world peace so attempting to make such a comparison is ridiculous.

I don't believe in tarring people with the same brush, but I still don't see enough outrage and condemnation of these acts coming from Muslims, including English Muslims, to believe the majority of Muslims are against it.

Obama is wrong here plain and simple....he shouldn't be apologising for these mass murdering psychopaths and he shouldn't be condemning Christians for it either...clearly hes banned from saying jews are just as much to blame as theyre protected unlike Christians....what a mess of double standards....this is about radical islam

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People will always use religion to justify horrific acts, Obama's right to say that Christianity is no better or different to Islam.

It is totally different? that's a crazy claim

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

It is totally different? that's a crazy claim

It's really not, all religion is and has been used as justification for attrocities and Christianity is no different.

It's truly ignorant to think that one religion is better than another, it's all the same. There are extremists in every religion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's really not, all religion is and has been used as justification for attrocities and Christianity is no different.

It's truly ignorant to think that one religion is better than another, it's all the same. There are extremists in every religion.

that's the most ignorant stupidest post Iver EVER READ on any website ever
Christianity and Islam are about as similar as heaven is to hell........totally different ends of the spectrum. you really need to read and learn for about 20 years before you even comment on it further. You live in a society built on Christian principles and laws... where youre allowed free speech to a degree where you live in relative peace with a decent standard of living where we fight for equal rights where we have healthcare for all where we believe in the principle of redemption , enlightenment , forgiveness ......islam and this perverted version of islam praches hate it has no pace for forgiveness anywhere , it has no place for redemption...people get killed for all sorts of so called crimes...you and me would already be killed for writing in this thread...and Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone....every person put their stones down and the woman was set free..now go and sin no more..."


im truly embarrassed for you

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

that's the most ignorant stupidest post Iver EVER READ on any website ever
Christianity and Islam are about as similar as heaven is to hell........totally different ends of the spectrum. you really need to read and learn for about 20 years before you even comment on it further. You live in a society built on Christian principles and laws... where youre allowed free speech to a degree where you live in relative peace with a decent standard of living where we fight for equal rights where we have healthcare for all where we believe in the principle of redemption , enlightenment , forgiveness ......islam and this perverted version of islam praches hate it has no pace for forgiveness anywhere , it has no place for redemption...people get killed for all sorts of so called crimes...you and me would already be killed for writing in this thread...and Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone....every person put their stones down and the woman was set free..now go and sin no more..."


im truly embarrassed for you

Have you ever been to Ireland?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't hate any single religion, I hate the idea of organised religion and (like I've said numerous times...) it's dumb to highlight one religion as being more 'evil' or primative or controlling when all religions are equally primitive and controlling. Again, thinking that one religion is inherently better than another is foolish. They all preach hatred, they all have the same basic premise and methods of control. You are biased and ignorant if you think that Christianity is somehow better than the rest. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE OLD TESTAMENT? 'Biblical' isn't a term for 'some horrific bat**** crazy **** is going to go down' by chance....

Your post shows an incredible naivety and ignorance of the subject under discussion.

Christianity is of the New Testament - not the Old Testament.

Islam is both primitive and controlling, The Judeo Christian Bible is primitive but not controlling in the slightest.

The Quran preaches open-ended hatred and violence, The Judeo Christian Bible preaches neither.

Islamic Fundamentalist Imams, Muftis and Ayatollahs preach violence and hatred, Rabbis and Priests and Vicars do not.

Please show me any evidence which substantiates the claims in your post.