[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People will always use religion to justify horrific acts, Obama's right to say that Christianity is no better or different to Islam.

It is totally different? that's a crazy claim

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

It is totally different? that's a crazy claim

It's really not, all religion is and has been used as justification for attrocities and Christianity is no different.

It's truly ignorant to think that one religion is better than another, it's all the same. There are extremists in every religion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's really not, all religion is and has been used as justification for attrocities and Christianity is no different.

It's truly ignorant to think that one religion is better than another, it's all the same. There are extremists in every religion.

that's the most ignorant stupidest post Iver EVER READ on any website ever
Christianity and Islam are about as similar as heaven is to hell........totally different ends of the spectrum. you really need to read and learn for about 20 years before you even comment on it further. You live in a society built on Christian principles and laws... where youre allowed free speech to a degree where you live in relative peace with a decent standard of living where we fight for equal rights where we have healthcare for all where we believe in the principle of redemption , enlightenment , forgiveness ......islam and this perverted version of islam praches hate it has no pace for forgiveness anywhere , it has no place for redemption...people get killed for all sorts of so called crimes...you and me would already be killed for writing in this thread...and Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone....every person put their stones down and the woman was set free..now go and sin no more..."


im truly embarrassed for you

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

that's the most ignorant stupidest post Iver EVER READ on any website ever
Christianity and Islam are about as similar as heaven is to hell........totally different ends of the spectrum. you really need to read and learn for about 20 years before you even comment on it further. You live in a society built on Christian principles and laws... where youre allowed free speech to a degree where you live in relative peace with a decent standard of living where we fight for equal rights where we have healthcare for all where we believe in the principle of redemption , enlightenment , forgiveness ......islam and this perverted version of islam praches hate it has no pace for forgiveness anywhere , it has no place for redemption...people get killed for all sorts of so called crimes...you and me would already be killed for writing in this thread...and Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone....every person put their stones down and the woman was set free..now go and sin no more..."


im truly embarrassed for you

Have you ever been to Ireland?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you ever been to Ireland?

yes a nation torn apart by the monarchy and a potato famine and the religion was used as a weapon to destroy them and have them warring amongst themselves...divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the monarchy play book.......forget ye not its the fat greedy king of England who burn down all the catholic churches in the first place and burned anyone who stood in his way because he wanted a to shag more women

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't hate any single religion, I hate the idea of organised religion and (like I've said numerous times...) it's dumb to highlight one religion as being more 'evil' or primative or controlling when all religions are equally primitive and controlling. Again, thinking that one religion is inherently better than another is foolish. They all preach hatred, they all have the same basic premise and methods of control. You are biased and ignorant if you think that Christianity is somehow better than the rest. HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE OLD TESTAMENT? 'Biblical' isn't a term for 'some horrific bat**** crazy **** is going to go down' by chance....

Your post shows an incredible naivety and ignorance of the subject under discussion.

Christianity is of the New Testament - not the Old Testament.

Islam is both primitive and controlling, The Judeo Christian Bible is primitive but not controlling in the slightest.

The Quran preaches open-ended hatred and violence, The Judeo Christian Bible preaches neither.

Islamic Fundamentalist Imams, Muftis and Ayatollahs preach violence and hatred, Rabbis and Priests and Vicars do not.

Please show me any evidence which substantiates the claims in your post.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Islamic Fundamentalist Imams, Muftis and Ayatollahs preach violence and hatred, Rabbis and Priests and Vicars do not.

Oh come on now kirk - this is seriously disingenuous, even from someone with a personal bias on the subject. A bias I'm sure you'll deny you have... But you do have... Christianity is the achilles heel in your reasoned logic, you are incapable of impartiality on the subject of religion.

But, yes, anyway - you point out that "Fundamentalist Imams" preach hatred whereas "Rabbis and Priests" do not. This is an obviously unfair comparison. Non-fundamentalist Imams do not preach hate, and there are Fundamentalist Priests, preachers and certainly Rabbis who absolutely and unquestionably DO preach hatred and violence. There are several well documented Fundamentalist Jewish Rabbis in Israel whose entire motivation is to convert young Jews into armed thugs. There are several hate-preaching Christian churches that plague every American state. You can't possibly deny this, you can't possibly state with such certainty that "Rabbis, Priests and Vicars do not preach hatred or violence". It's not just incorrect, it's a bare-faced lie.

I won't even deny that there are probably a greater number of Fundamentalist Islamic preachers than either of the others or that it's a more widespread issue, but what you are doing is implying that "most" Islamic preachers are hateful and - unfathomably - that there are ZERO Jewish or Christian preachers preaching anything negative.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh come on now kirk - this is seriously disingenuous, even from someone with a personal bias on the subject. A bias I'm sure you'll deny you have... But you do have... Christianity is the achilles heel in your reasoned logic, you are incapable of impartiality on the subject of religion.

But, yes, anyway - you point out that "Fundamentalist Imams" preach hatred whereas "Rabbis and Priests" do not. This is an obviously unfair comparison. Non-fundamentalist Imams do not preach hate, and there are Fundamentalist Priests, preachers and certainly Rabbis who absolutely and unquestionably DO preach hatred and violence. There are several well documented Fundamentalist Jewish Rabbis in Israel whose entire motivation is to convert young Jews into armed thugs. There are several hate-preaching Christian churches that plague every American state. You can't possibly deny this, you can't possibly state with such certainty that "Rabbis, Priests and Vicars do not preach hatred or violence". It's not just incorrect, it's a bare-faced lie.

Christian preachers do not preach this poison........Islam seems to be infiltrated with this radical twisted disease whereas rabbis im not so sure I don't follow Judaism as closely.....Christian churches are on the whole places of magnificent preachers and fantastic people doing good work ....when you take into account the billion plus Christians the amount of good work they do across the globe is astounding.....in charity work in caring in missionary work and voluntary is remarkable.........its just a shame other religions cannot be as forgiving and charitable as Christians but that will never be the case as there was only one Christ who was a magnificent example to all humanity

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Christian preachers do not preach this poison........Islam seems to be infiltrated with this radical twisted disease whereas rabbis im not so sure I don't follow Judaism as closely.....Christian churches are on the whole places of magnificent preachers and fantastic people doing good work ....when you take into account the billion plus Christians the amount of good work they do across the globe is astounding.....in charity work in caring in missionary work and voluntary is remarkable.........its just a shame other religions cannot be as forgiving and charitable as Christians but that will never be the case as there was only one Christ who was a magnificent example to all humanity

Again - there are NO Christian churches preaching anything hateful? Not one? Utterly ridiculous

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh come on now kirk - this is seriously disingenuous, even from someone with a personal bias on the subject. A bias I'm sure you'll deny you have... But you do have... Christianity is the achilles heel in your reasoned logic, you are incapable of impartiality on the subject of religion.

But, yes, anyway - you point out that "Fundamentalist Imams" preach hatred whereas "Rabbis and Priests" do not. This is an obviously unfair comparison. Non-fundamentalist Imams do not preach hate, and there are Fundamentalist Priests, preachers and certainly Rabbis who absolutely and unquestionably DO preach hatred and violence. There are several well documented Fundamentalist Jewish Rabbis in Israel whose entire motivation is to convert young Jews into armed thugs. There are several hate-preaching Christian churches that plague every American state. You can't possibly deny this, you can't possibly state with such certainty that "Rabbis, Priests and Vicars do not preach hatred or violence". It's not just incorrect, it's a bare-faced lie.

I won't even deny that there are probably a greater number of Fundamentalist Islamic preachers than either of the others or that it's a more widespread issue, but what you are doing is implying that "most" Islamic preachers are hateful and - unfathomably - that there are ZERO Jewish or Christian preachers preaching anything negative.

In answer to your ridiculous and presumptuous claims which I have emboldened, I am not implying anything of the sort. Do not 'twist' my statements which are in print for all to see. If I had meant that "most" Islamic preachers are hateful I would have stated as much, and if I had meant that there are ZERO Jewish or Christian preachers preaching anything negative, I would have stated as much.

As for your other claims, I welcome you expounding upon them with suitable corroborating evidence.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

In answer to your ridiculous and presumptuous claims which I have emboldened, I am not implying anything of the sort. Do not 'twist' my statements which are in print for all to see. If I had meant that "most" Islamic preachers are hateful I would have stated as much, and if I had meant that there are ZERO Jewish or Christian preachers preaching anything negative, I would have stated as much.

As for your other claims, I welcome you expounding upon them with suitable corroborating evidence.

Yes they are in print, they don't require any twisting, it is exactly what you said. Again:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Islamic Fundamentalist Imams, Muftis and Ayatollahs preach violence and hatred, Rabbis and Priests and Vicars do not.

It's a non-statement. Islamic Fundamentalist Imams preach violence and hatred. Jewish Fundamentalist Rabbis preach violence and hatred. Christian Fundamentalist preachers preach violence and hatred. Your statement was disingenuous because you compared fundamentalists from one religion to "normal" preachers of other religions. It's not a direct comparison. It's meaningless, and designed purely to cast some in a better light than others.

As for the second part, are you really asking me to back up / "prove" that there are Rabbis in Israel preaching hatred of Palestine, or that certain Bible-belt American preachers advocate violence against homosexuals? Are you trying to say that without proof, you think these claims are false? It's common knowledge, Kirk.