[thesheriff443]

If you look at what is happening to people around the world some are in hell and some are in heaven.

Heaven equals vast wealth, free from worries, people doing everything for you.

Hell equals the poorest those with no voice and no hope, used and abused by others, children starving to death.

And this is the world that we the human race have created.

We are all guilty by continuing to live by the rules that see one with everything and one with nothing.

[Niamh.]

I agree but it would take alot of sacrifice, kindness, generosity and acceptance on a global scale to change anything, that isn't going to happen unfortunately

[Twosugars]

The rich bamboozle the poor to vote against their interests eg Brexit
And so it continues

[user104658]

Here's the real hard to swallow pill:

The world doesn't have the resources for all 7 billion people to live well. It's not just that it would take a gargantuan effort in sharing... if you took everything the world has and divided it equally, the result would be a relatively poor existence for everyone.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's the real hard to swallow pill:

The world doesn't have the resources for all 7 billion people to live well. It's not just that it would take a gargantuan effort in sharing... if you took everything the world has and divided it equally, the result would be a relatively poor existence for everyone.

If we stop spending money on weapons and tens of millions of pounds mansions for two people to live in we would sort the world out

100 grand cars that sits in a garages

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If we stop spending money on weapons and tens of millions of pounds mansions for two people to live in we would sort the world out

100 grand cars that sits in a garages

or for example our dutch government stops spending too much on military, we have spent too much on fighter jets

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If we stop spending money on weapons and tens of millions of pounds mansions for two people to live in we would sort the world out

100 grand cars that sits in a garages

Weapons is a strange one. I'd love the UK to give up all its weapons... about ten minutes after Russia and everyone in the Middle East gives up theirs.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's the real hard to swallow pill:

The world doesn't have the resources for all 7 billion people to live well. It's not just that it would take a gargantuan effort in sharing... if you took everything the world has and divided it equally, the result would be a relatively poor existence for everyone.

Your solution?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Your solution?

I don't think there is a solution

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think there is a solution

I think the only way we can reduce population is to educate people to understand the consequences of not reducing. Ask people to limit themselves to two children. There will be some who have more, but many may have less, or none. It would be a slow start, but it would be a start. It would be a huge mistake for anyone to think you could force people to reduce, you have to have them on your side and understand the reasons.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think the only way we can reduce population is to educate people to understand the consequences of not reducing. Ask people to limit themselves to two children. There will be some who have more, but many may have less, or none. It would be a slow start, but it would be a start. It would be a huge mistake for anyone to think you could force people to reduce, you have to have them on your side and understand the reasons.

In order for that to happen, women all around the world need the right to education and the right to own their own bodies and reproductive systems......that's a long way off as it means tackling religious beliefs and cultures that don't want to change

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think the only way we can reduce population is to educate people to understand the consequences of not reducing. Ask people to limit themselves to two children. There will be some who have more, but many may have less, or none. It would be a slow start, but it would be a start. It would be a huge mistake for anyone to think you could force people to reduce, you have to have them on your side and understand the reasons.

The problem is that you'd need global cooperation or the population in certain areas would continue to boom. And global cooperation is... well it's not likely, really. If we can't effectively cooperate on things as urgent and basic as carbon emissions and antibiotic resistance, how would we ever cooperate on something as drastic as population level control?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Your solution?

There isn't one. Accept the status quo and hope that population increase eventually stabilizes and thank our lucky stars that we were born on the right side of the fence, try to do what little we can to make things as "least bad" for others as we possibly can, and swallow the pill. Global equality would only ever be possible with a MASSIVE drop in population as in 75%+.

Although my honest thinking is that the world can only comfortably support a few hundred million people "living their best life" . We're too adaptable, too good at surviving, and too good at reproducing. There's an irony in that I think. The human animal's individual ability to survive and adapt is the very thing that's going to destroy our home and ensure that our viability as a species is limited.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There isn't one. Accept the status quo and hope that population increase eventually stabilizes and thank our lucky stars that we were born on the right side of the fence, try to do what little we can to make things as "least bad" for others as we possibly can, and swallow the pill. Global equality would only ever be possible with a MASSIVE drop in population as in 75%+.

Although my honest thinking is that the world can only comfortably support a few hundred million people "living their best life" . We're too adaptable, too good at surviving, and too good at reproducing. There's an irony in that I think. The human animal's individual ability to survive and adapt is the very thing that's going to destroy our home and ensure that our viability as a species is limited.

Read somewhere that around 1 billion is sustainable for the planet.
The current forecasts say we'll reach 11 billion before it starts falling.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Read somewhere that around 1 billion is sustainable for the planet.
The current forecasts say well reach 11 billion before it starts falling.

1 billion is sustainable at subsistence levels, if we're talking about every person being able to live in the land of milk 'n' honey it would have to be a lot less.

Here's a scary list:

1 Squirrel Unknown
2 Bat Unknown
3 Mice Unknown
4 Rat Unknown
5 Human 7.6 Billion
6 Cow 1.5 Billion
7 Sheep 1.1 Billion
8 Pig 1 Billion
9 Dog 900 Million
10 Goat 860 Million
11 Rabbit 709 Million
12 Cat 600 Million
13 Water Buffalo 175 Million
14 Horse 60 Million


Take out the rodents:


1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Cow 1.5 Billion
3 Sheep 1.1 Billion
4 Pig 1 Billion
5 Dog 900 Million
6 Goat 860 Million
7 Cat 600 Million
8 Water Buffalo 175 Million
9 Horse 60 Million


Take out the large mammals that are only there because humans breed them for food etc:

1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Dog 900 Million
3 Cat 600 Million
4 Horse 60 Million

It's just us and our pets - none of which even number a billion - and no other species of mammal in the world even gets close to 50 million. Wups.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's the real hard to swallow pill:

The world doesn't have the resources for all 7 billion people to live well. It's not just that it would take a gargantuan effort in sharing... if you took everything the world has and divided it equally, the result would be a relatively poor existence for everyone.

I agree. We are overpopulated and it is not sustainable. And every time nature comes up with a way to thin us out a bit, we find a cure. There is no end to our self-importance.

As for the heaven and hell thing, I really do believe that there comes a point when you have to answer for the kind of life you've led and what happens to you after that depends on the kind of human you were.

[smudgie]

Hopefully and thankfully most people in this country are somewhere in the middle.

[Livia]

I'm still hoping for the Zombie apocalypse.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm still hoping for the Zombie apocalypse.

Zombies can't exist in real life, or can they

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Zombies can't exist in real life, or can they

In theory yes but it would probably be some sort of parasite in a living host, rather than the actual "living dead".

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Zombies can't exist in real life, or can they

I'm stockpiling food and shotgun cartridges... just in case.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Zombies can't exist in real life, or can they

They can, but only close to canals. The Netherlands for example.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

They can, but only close to canals. The Netherlands for example.

Had to give this a little lol...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

They can, but only close to canals. The Netherlands for example.

luckily i don't live near a canal then

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

luckily i don't live near a canal then

You say that, but...
Oh never mind. Stay safe anyway