[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Your solution?

There isn't one. Accept the status quo and hope that population increase eventually stabilizes and thank our lucky stars that we were born on the right side of the fence, try to do what little we can to make things as "least bad" for others as we possibly can, and swallow the pill. Global equality would only ever be possible with a MASSIVE drop in population as in 75%+.

Although my honest thinking is that the world can only comfortably support a few hundred million people "living their best life" . We're too adaptable, too good at surviving, and too good at reproducing. There's an irony in that I think. The human animal's individual ability to survive and adapt is the very thing that's going to destroy our home and ensure that our viability as a species is limited.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There isn't one. Accept the status quo and hope that population increase eventually stabilizes and thank our lucky stars that we were born on the right side of the fence, try to do what little we can to make things as "least bad" for others as we possibly can, and swallow the pill. Global equality would only ever be possible with a MASSIVE drop in population as in 75%+.

Although my honest thinking is that the world can only comfortably support a few hundred million people "living their best life" . We're too adaptable, too good at surviving, and too good at reproducing. There's an irony in that I think. The human animal's individual ability to survive and adapt is the very thing that's going to destroy our home and ensure that our viability as a species is limited.

Read somewhere that around 1 billion is sustainable for the planet.
The current forecasts say we'll reach 11 billion before it starts falling.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Read somewhere that around 1 billion is sustainable for the planet.
The current forecasts say well reach 11 billion before it starts falling.

1 billion is sustainable at subsistence levels, if we're talking about every person being able to live in the land of milk 'n' honey it would have to be a lot less.

Here's a scary list:

1 Squirrel Unknown
2 Bat Unknown
3 Mice Unknown
4 Rat Unknown
5 Human 7.6 Billion
6 Cow 1.5 Billion
7 Sheep 1.1 Billion
8 Pig 1 Billion
9 Dog 900 Million
10 Goat 860 Million
11 Rabbit 709 Million
12 Cat 600 Million
13 Water Buffalo 175 Million
14 Horse 60 Million


Take out the rodents:


1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Cow 1.5 Billion
3 Sheep 1.1 Billion
4 Pig 1 Billion
5 Dog 900 Million
6 Goat 860 Million
7 Cat 600 Million
8 Water Buffalo 175 Million
9 Horse 60 Million


Take out the large mammals that are only there because humans breed them for food etc:

1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Dog 900 Million
3 Cat 600 Million
4 Horse 60 Million

It's just us and our pets - none of which even number a billion - and no other species of mammal in the world even gets close to 50 million. Wups.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

1 billion is sustainable at subsistence levels, if we're talking about every person being able to live in the land of milk 'n' honey it would have to be a lot less.

Here's a scary list:

1 Squirrel Unknown
2 Bat Unknown
3 Mice Unknown
4 Rat Unknown
5 Human 7.6 Billion
6 Cow 1.5 Billion
7 Sheep 1.1 Billion
8 Pig 1 Billion
9 Dog 900 Million
10 Goat 860 Million
11 Rabbit 709 Million
12 Cat 600 Million
13 Water Buffalo 175 Million
14 Horse 60 Million


Take out the rodents:


1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Cow 1.5 Billion
3 Sheep 1.1 Billion
4 Pig 1 Billion
5 Dog 900 Million
6 Goat 860 Million
7 Cat 600 Million
8 Water Buffalo 175 Million
9 Horse 60 Million


Take out the large mammals that are only there because humans breed them for food etc:

1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Dog 900 Million
3 Cat 600 Million
4 Horse 60 Million

It's just us and our pets - none of which even number a billion - and no other species of mammal in the world even gets close to 50 million. Wups.

Thanks for this, TS
Depressing.