[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Ethics should always be considered, but ethical considerations need to be weighed against the impact of not doing particular experimentation. There is no right or wrong answer, it very much depends on the specifics of individual cases.

China doesn't really place any value on human life, so its not likely they are going to give a crap about anything else.

Their record on animal welfare is worse than their record in human welfare. I have to say I buy nothing from China.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have to say I buy nothing from China.

The fact that you're posting online makes that highly unlikely, surely? I can't think of any tech brand that doesn't have components manufactured in China.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The fact that you're posting online makes that highly unlikely, surely? I can't think of any tech brand that doesn't have components manufactured in China.

I was thinking that, I'm sure pretty almost much everything is made in China The big corporations are the ones most to blame for that. They should be making more of a stand about the slave labour in countries like China but money is much more important than people

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I was thinking that, I'm sure pretty almost much everything is made in China The big corporations are the ones most to blame for that. They should be making more of a stand about the slave labour in countries like China but money is much more important than people

I was reading an article yesterday about the working conditions at Amazon / Apple / etc factories. Apparently there ARE a tonne of maximum working hours / minimum wage laws now... but China is so huge that there are entire cities with populations in the millions where the labour laws are just totally ignored, people working 80 hour weeks on less than half of minimum wage, etc.

But there really is no way to totally avoid it. There'll be something from China in every computer / phone / tablet, and also the majority of electronic components in every car, bus, train or plane will be from a Chinese factory. You would pretty much have to go full log cabin in the woods. I think the sad reality is that our entire world relies on exploitation in some form or other and in order for it to stop we would need to have BOTH a massive drop in population, and a massive shift in lifestyle.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I was reading an article yesterday about the working conditions at Amazon / Apple / etc factories. Apparently there ARE a tonne of maximum working hours / minimum wage laws now... but China is so huge that there are entire cities with populations in the millions where the labour laws are just totally ignored, people working 80 hour weeks on less than half of minimum wage, etc.

But there really is no way to totally avoid it. There'll be something from China in every computer / phone / tablet, and also the majority of electronic components in every car, bus, train or plane will be from a Chinese factory. You would pretty much have to go full log cabin in the woods. I think the sad reality is that our entire world relies on exploitation in some form or other and in order for it to stop we would need to have BOTH a massive drop in population, and a massive shift in lifestyle.

I swear the older I get the more appealing that idea is me and Gav are starting a Phone Free Friday from this week where mobiles are switched off for a full 24 hours, our mini revolution

But yeah population is a worry and Asia in general has a massive problem there. We're probably looking at us in the future tbh.......hopefully I'll be dead before then though

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Livia

Their record on animal welfare is worse than their record in human welfare. I have to say I buy nothing from China.

Addendum: I never consciously buy anything from China. If there are components inside something I am buying that are Chinese about which I am unaware, well... it's hard to be that finite about anything. However, if it says MADE IN CHINA I don't buy it.