[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Which is fine for secondary but not for primary

why not

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why especially black schools?

Because black culture is much more homophobic than white British culture. Facts whether it sounds PC or not.

White people who aren’t exposed to Afro-Caribbean tings and assume that everyone’s at the same level of political correctness might not admit the truth but I can say that.

I like your style Redway, you say it as it is, not the whitewash that is constantly spouted pardon the pun

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

why not

same reason lots of topics are for secondary and not primary

same reason pride is for adults and not children

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No it isn’t.

“Three-quarters of pupils come from mainly Black African and Caribbean backgrounds“

It’s not hard to get behind the reactions if you know the culture of black London. Backward as it is in this day and age you’ll get killed on the street for being a gay boy in black London,

I dunno how many white British people that’ll shock but I’m being honest. Don’t apply modern Caucasian standards to different cultures.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why especially black schools?

Because black culture is much more homophobic than white British culture. Facts whether it sounds PC or not.

White people who aren’t exposed to Afro-Caribbean tings and assume that everyone’s at the same level of political correctness might not admit the truth but I can say that.

Not all whites or other races/cultures are at the same level of PC as is regularly apparent in such threads and everywhere.

If living in Britain no one should expect preferential treatment due to culture.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have no objection to the subject being discussed in school. I have three nieces who are now 15, 13 and 10. They all go to the same school and they all have openly gay friends at that school. Kids are far more accepting of others than adults are anyway, so having adults force a gay pride march on a primary school seems like overkill to me.

fair enough it should be discussed in schools glad we agree on that, I feel like a pride event would be fun for the kids that's all and obviously it would be marketed completely differently from how adults pride events are organised, even though the only difference would be no alcohol and of course it would be less provocative even though it's usually just the people attending adults pride events that make it provocative (myself included oop) but anyone would have the common sense to dress sensible to a event centred around kids .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

'Pride' is a great thing for adults and long may the celebration continue, but forcing it on a school? Surely the message should be inclusion and not separation? Being gay doesn't make you different from the rest of society.

Yeah that was my thought that I was struggling to communicate... Adults understand the issue and persecution of homosexuals so "Pride" in an adult context is a great thing. But when it's young kids who don't yet really question or judge same-sex couples, does something like this - having a special event to tell them that it's OK / perfectly normal to be gay - not just plant the idea that some people MUST think that gay people are abnormal, in order for there to be an event stating that its normal?

Like if I sat down to a nice bowl of cornflakes and opened the paper and saw a huge press release saying "HEY EVERYONE! There is absolutely nothing wrong with Cornflakes!" my immediate thought would be "oh **** what are people saying is wrong with cornflakes?"

I have no idea if that makes sense.

But anyway... Yeah... For adults who have a grasp of the general situation - and even older kids - it would be great but it's just confusing and unnecessary for younger kids.

So if it was a high school, great. Even if it was specifically put together for the older kids say 9+ (when this stuff starts to become relevant), it would probably be valuable. For 5 year olds though? I think it just demonstrates a misunderstanding of how young children's minds process information and social etiquette. It assumes that kids are just like "little adults", when they're simply not.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah that was my thought that I was struggling to communicate... Adults understand the issue and persecution of homosexuals so "Pride" in an adult context is a great thing. But when it's young kids who don't yet really question or judge same-sex couples, does something like this - having a special event to tell them that it's OK / perfectly normal to be gay - not just plant the idea that some people MUST think that gay people are abnormal, in order for there to be an event stating that its normal?

Like if I sat down to a nice bowl of cornflakes and opened the paper and saw a huge press release saying "HEY EVERYONE! There is absolutely nothing wrong with Cornflakes!" my immediate thought would be "oh **** what are people saying is wrong with cornflakes?"

I have no idea if that makes sense.

But anyway... Yeah... For adults who have a grasp of the general situation - and even older kids - it would be great but it's just confusing and unnecessary for younger kids.

So if it was a high school, great. Even if it was specifically put together for the older kids say 9+ (when this stuff starts to become relevant), it would probably be valuable. For 5 year olds though? I think it just demonstrates a misunderstanding of how young children's minds process information and social etiquette. It assumes that kids are just like "little adults", when they're simply not.

Yeah that was basically what i tried to express earlier too and got shot down

[Samm]

Which is fine for secondary but not for primary

by secondary school most kids have a clear mindset on social issues such as love, and anything being taught about homosexuality would be laughed at or ignored

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

“Three-quarters of pupils come from mainly Black African and Caribbean backgrounds“

It’s not hard to get behind the reactions if you know the culture of black London. Backward as it is in this day and age you’ll get killed on the street for being a gay boy in black London,

I dunno how many white British people that’ll shock but I’m being honest. Don’t apply modern Caucasian standards to different cultures.

That’s not acceptable on our streets and we should not pander to it. Multiculturalism does not mean special treatment for being non-Caucasian.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

fair enough it should be discussed in schools glad we agree on that, I feel like a pride event would be fun for the kids that's all and obviously it would be marketed completely differently from how adults pride events are organised, even though the only difference would be no alcohol and of course it would be less provocative even though it's usually just the people attending adults pride events that make it provocative (myself included oop) but anyone would have the common sense to dress sensible to a event centred around kids .

I'm good with all of that. But not in primary school. Discuss it openly, answer questions honestly... but let's not make them dance to Steps in the playground, eh? :-)

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not all whites or other races/cultures are at the same level of PC as is regularly apparent in such threads and everywhere.

If living in Britain no one should expect preferential treatment due to culture.

Some of these cultures have been here for centuries.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say again, PC white British culture ain’t where it starts and ends.

You might be onto something if this was Cumbria we were talking about but this is black London. There’s being open-minded and there’s getting killed on the street.

You know what I’m saying deep down.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That’s not acceptable on our streets and we should not pander to it. Multiculturalism does not mean special treatment for being non-Caucasian.

Killed on the streets was tongue-in-cheek an all. You can’t push an agenda on people from completely different backgrounds.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm good with all of that. But not in primary school. Discuss it openly, answer questions honestly... but let's not make them dance to Steps in the playground, eh? :-)

why not I was dancing to tragedy in my bedroom when I was 7

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

same reason lots of topics are for secondary and not primary

same reason pride is for adults and not children

Ok so no actual reason, just as I thought

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Some of these cultures have been here for centuries.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say again, PC white British culture ain’t where it starts and ends.

You might be onto something if this was Cumbria we were talking about but this is black London. There’s being open-minded and there’s getting killed on the street.

You know what I’m saying deep down.

And alot of people are happy for other cultures to retain their own values until something like this comes up and slaps them round the chops then its a different story

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

Some of these cultures have been here for centuries.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say again, PC white British culture ain’t where it starts and ends.

You might be onto something if this was Cumbria we were talking about but this is black London. There’s being open-minded and there’s getting killed on the street.

You know what I’m saying deep down.

No I don’t. If black London has been exposed to these views for as long as everyone else they should be treated exactly the same as everyone else. White culture is pretty much a mixed bag with people having many different views on this - so why you think black culture has any more ‘right’ to express disagreement is ridiculous.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No I don’t. If black London has been exposed to these views for as long as everyone else they should be treated exactly the same as everyone else. White culture is pretty much a mixed bag with people having many different views on this - so why you think black culture has any more ‘right’ to express disagreement is ridiculous.

You’d understand if you had more black mates.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Samm

why not I was dancing to tragedy in my bedroom when I was 7

So what. . That doesn’t give you the right to dictate to parents how they should feel about their young children having such issues forced on them at such a young age.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Ok so no actual reason, just as I thought

maybe if you have children and put them through school you will understand better, so dont worry if you dont now



I would have thought you would have had an opinion of what Redway is saying?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Redway

You’d understand if you had more black mates.

Maybe you would understand more if you had more white mates. I believe you when you say that the culture maybe more homophobic, I am not disputing that, but it makes no difference to how they should be treated.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Redway

You’d understand if you had more black mates.

I'm a black Londoner and I can't see why we should cater to any culture thats homophobic,

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That’s not acceptable on our streets and we should not pander to it. Multiculturalism does not mean special treatment for being non-Caucasian.

No one should get special treatment be they black, white, gay or straight,I thought people wanted to be treat as equals but it doesn't seem that way, they want to be pandered to as a special case ,You cannot demand in this life

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

maybe if you have children and put them through school you will understand better, so dont worry if you dont now



I would have thought you would have had an opinion of what Redway is saying?

why is that your concern lol...

and I'm gay so I can't imagine having children and being at all apposed to a pride event

[Northern Monkey]

Just let young kids be kids imo.There’s plenty of time for them to find out about the complexities of adult relationships.Some kids ask questions younger than others and we should be honest with them when topics come up but some kids just don’t care until they’re abit older.No need to push stuff on them.I think in secondary school it’s fine.