[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Very well put TS. I've said it a thousand times in these discussions, it's very easy for us all to sit back and judge these people while we're lucky enough to be born on this side of the world but the inability to put yourself in their shoes and see them as real people, fathers, sons, daughters, mothers etc is so dehumanising and upsetting.

I dont think anyone is politically. But when making big decisions from the top you have to be logical and sensible. No one is judging the economic migrants in that way but to pretend they are war ravaged desperates is naive and dangerous.

We already to foreign aid to help counties at source but we dont say "hey dont like your country well come here and live and we will look after you for free."

no

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think anyone is politically. But when making big decisions from the top you have to be logical and sensible. No one is judging the economic migrants in that way but to pretend they are war ravaged desperates is naive and dangerous.

We already to foreign aid to help counties at source but we dont say "hey dont like your country well come here and live and we will look after you for free."

no

I know that and I understand we can't help everyone but I also agree with TS that alot of "anti immigrants people" are unnecessarily scathing and unsympathetic aswell

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know that and I understand we can't help everyone but I also agree with TS that alot of "anti immigrants people" are unnecessarily scathing and unsympathetic aswell

Well that is just people. Personally I feel nothing for them or their plight, but you obviously do - just differences in people. But politically you cant afford to be emotional so much.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well that is just people. Personally I feel nothing for them or their plight, but you obviously do - just differences in people. But politically you cant afford to be emotional so much.

I think Politics without some emotion would be awful tbh

[Cherry Christmas]

Is that Black Dagger in the specs in the middle second row from the back trafficking

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know that and I understand we can't help everyone but I also agree with TS that alot of "anti immigrants people" are unnecessarily scathing and unsympathetic aswell

Isn’t that part of what has been said though that people get so concerned and frustrated at the sheer levels and the impact that is likely to have on everyone else that it hardens otherwise caring hearts.

People such as Corbyn and Abbott want to let everyone in and there is evidence to suggest that will not be a positive situation for the rest of us. It is mainly strong young men coming to Europe and we have already seen some negatives effects of that.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Isn’t that part of what has been said though that people get so concerned and frustrated at the sheer levels and the impact that is likely to have on everyone else that it harden otherwise caring hearts.

People such as Corbyn and Abbott want to let everyone in and there is evidence to suggest that will not be a positive situation for the rest of us. It is mainly strong young men coming to Europe and we have already seen some negatives effects of that.

i agree, rapists and thieves are among them


but also they aren't the ones who need to get away from those horrible countries, they can easily give up their place for the women and children who only suffer in those countries


so i'm only wanting to allow refugees in if it is the ones who deserve to get away from all the trouble in their own countries

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Isn’t that part of what has been said though that people get so concerned and frustrated at the sheer levels and the impact that is likely to have on everyone else that it hardens otherwise caring hearts.

People such as Corbyn and Abbott want to let everyone in and there is evidence to suggest that will not be a positive situation for the rest of us. It is mainly strong young men coming to Europe and we have already seen some negatives effects of that.

We have seen the effects of children coming over, they die.

Then the question is asked ' why did they send them? They must have known they would die!'

What is really meant is ... nobody come, we don't want you. Whatever the issue is in your country we don't care.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have seen the effects of children coming over, they die.

Then the question is asked ' why did they send them? They must have known they would die!'

What is really meant is ... nobody come, we don't want you. Whatever the issue is in your country we don't care.

Yes because of people traffickers and their greed for money

nothing to do with Europe

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes because of people traffickers and their greed for money

nothing to do with Europe

And why are they so desperate they give everything they have and risk their lives again?...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And why are they so desperate they give everything they have and risk their lives again?...

They are not they are lied to by traffickers about a land of milk and honey and not told of any danger

these people dont subscribe to ABTA you know and they are not on TripAdvisor