[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, how? Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. You are painting in broad strokes.

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.

The minority, if anything, will likely shrink in generations to come since newer generations will be and have been raised in a western culture and will only know the freedoms that comes with it.

Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.



Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

if you did the same survey with people from conservative christian countries would you not get similar results? I mean look at Jamaica gay people are still being heavily prosecuted. A lot of the world still doesn't share our progressive views on homosexuality so blocking people from coming into our country simply based on that.

Like Dezzy said the muslims here are the minority. So far their presence here has had no effect on my life as a gay man in this country and I've not seen anything to suggest they've made any impact on my rights. Also what does homosexuality have to do with British culture wasn't it only 35 years ago when homosexuality was decriminalised across all of Britain and isn't our own prime minister in bed with the DUP a notoriously religious and homophobic party???

Trumps statements suggest that we are already in the process of us loosing our cuture and nobody in this thread has managed to convince me that this is happening. So back to the actual topic. What about British culture has actually been taken away from us by immigrants?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

if you did the same survey with people from conservative christian countries would you not get similar results? I mean look at Jamaica gay people are still being heavily prosecuted. A lot of the world still doesn't share our progressive views on homosexuality so blocking people from coming into our country simply based on that.

Like Dezzy said the muslims here are the minority. So far their presence here has had no effect on my life as a gay man in this country and I've not seen anything to suggest they've made any impact on my rights. Also what does homosexuality have to do with British culture wasn't it only 35 years ago when homosexuality was decriminalised across all of Britain and isn't our own prime minister in bed with the DUP a notoriously religious and homophobic party???

Trumps statements suggest that we are already in the process of us loosing our cuture and nobody in this thread has managed to convince me that this is happening. So back to the actual topic. What about British culture has actually been taken away from us by immigrants?

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

tbh it's always been a problem
My bf and I would never dream of holding hands in public

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

I was going to say similar to this ,just because it hasn't affected you armand,doesn't mean to say it never will or doesn't happen.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was going to say similar to this ,just because it hasn't affected you armand,doesn't mean to say it never will or doesn't happen.

I don't really feel comfortable walking around anywhere in England holding hands with a man and that has nothing to do with muslims here... In fact the only time I was made to feel uncomfortable because of my gayness was by a group of older white men in a pub

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.



Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

Blatant changing of the goalposts here.

You couldn't win the argument on the culture side of things so now you're bringing up the LGBT again to try to score points.

As I said before, you could bring as many muslims into the country as you want, as many hardliners as you can fit and it won't affect the culture one bit because they aren't the overwhelming majority. They are outnumbered in the muslim community itself and are miniscule outside of it. All these people acting like Muslims can just Thanos click their fingers and everything that made this country what it is would disappear in an instant are just irrational. They always forget the tens of millions of non muslims that aren't suddenly going to disappear in this scenairio.

It's just illogical ignorance.

As for the LGBT point, ask any religion the same question and you'd get a similar 50/50 split, you cling to that stat so you can hate muslims while ignoring the fact that all religions preach a similar view on homosexuality. A 50/50 religious split hasn't stopped the march to progress in the past and it won't change anything now.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I said before, you could bring as many muslims into the country as you want, as many hardliners as you can fit and it won't affect the culture one bit because they aren't the overwhelming majority. They are outnumbered in the muslim community itself

Do you have a source for this?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you have a source for this?

Ah, the 'SD Special! Losing an argument? Buy time by asking the opposition to do a google search for you!'

If you want to disprove what I'm saying then go ahead and disprove it, be less lazy and research your own damn counter arguments.

I see you ignored my remarks about all religion having a similar 50/50 split in relation to views on LGBT, very telling that.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, the 'SD Special! Losing an argument? Buy time by asking the opposition to do a google search for you!'

If you want to disprove what I'm saying then go ahead and disprove it, be less lazy and research your own damn counter arguments.

I see you ignored my remarks about all religion having a similar 50/50 split in relation to views on LGBT, very telling that.

so true

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

so true

Yes it is for those accusing others. Dezzy always used to tell people to provide evidence for their comments until people started to telling him to do one and if he wanted proof he could go and find it. Now he is doing the same.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, the 'SD Special! Losing an argument? Buy time by asking the opposition to do a google search for you!'

If you want to disprove what I'm saying then go ahead and disprove it, be less lazy and research your own damn counter arguments.

I see you ignored my remarks about all religion having a similar 50/50 split in relation to views on LGBT, very telling that.

I've already linked how prevalent anti-LGBT views are among multiple islamic communities.

According to this, over 60% of Orthodox Christians are in favour of LGBT being accepted. And that's lower than those of Catholics and Mainline Protestants who think the same.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've already linked how prevalent anti-LGBT views are among multiple islamic communities.

According to this, over 60% of Orthodox Christians are in favour of LGBT being accepted. And that's lower than those of Catholics and Mainline Protestants who think the same.

Ah, so you compare muslims as a whole and you cherry pick whatever factions of Christianity suit you best. I getcha.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you compare muslims as a whole and you cherry pick whatever factions of Christianity suit you best. I getcha.

Why has a debate about Trump & immigration turned into another argument about religion .

Trump is a mentally disturbed bull in a China shop and most of what he says is BS abd his tweets are mostly incoherent .
And today's debate on The Wright stuff was unwatchable ,Nigel Farage is a weasel on crack with his head so far up Trump's bum I had to stop watching.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you compare muslims as a whole and you cherry pick whatever factions of Christianity suit you best. I getcha.

Okay I'll put it this way - the mean average of the different Christian groups who view it as acceptable was 57%, as opposed to 45% of muslims according to that data.