[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.



Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

if you did the same survey with people from conservative christian countries would you not get similar results? I mean look at Jamaica gay people are still being heavily prosecuted. A lot of the world still doesn't share our progressive views on homosexuality so blocking people from coming into our country simply based on that.

Like Dezzy said the muslims here are the minority. So far their presence here has had no effect on my life as a gay man in this country and I've not seen anything to suggest they've made any impact on my rights. Also what does homosexuality have to do with British culture wasn't it only 35 years ago when homosexuality was decriminalised across all of Britain and isn't our own prime minister in bed with the DUP a notoriously religious and homophobic party???

Trumps statements suggest that we are already in the process of us loosing our cuture and nobody in this thread has managed to convince me that this is happening. So back to the actual topic. What about British culture has actually been taken away from us by immigrants?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

You can argue until the cows come home, but it's all gonna end in war, you'll have to decide what side you're on then.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there will be a civil war if free movement is not stopped

so glad I have my EU passport
but sorry for those who have nowhere to go

[Beso]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

if you did the same survey with people from conservative christian countries would you not get similar results? I mean look at Jamaica gay people are still being heavily prosecuted. A lot of the world still doesn't share our progressive views on homosexuality so blocking people from coming into our country simply based on that.

Like Dezzy said the muslims here are the minority. So far their presence here has had no effect on my life as a gay man in this country and I've not seen anything to suggest they've made any impact on my rights. Also what does homosexuality have to do with British culture wasn't it only 35 years ago when homosexuality was decriminalised across all of Britain and isn't our own prime minister in bed with the DUP a notoriously religious and homophobic party???

Trumps statements suggest that we are already in the process of us loosing our cuture and nobody in this thread has managed to convince me that this is happening. So back to the actual topic. What about British culture has actually been taken away from us by immigrants?

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, how? Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. You are painting in broad strokes.

The minority, if anything, will likely shrink in generations to come since newer generations will be and have been raised in a western culture and will only know the freedoms that comes with it.

There are already at least four towns in the country than have a majority non-white population - so how does that tally with your wild claim there are not enough muslims coming into to override the majority.

It isn't just about extremists, though of course the biggest concern, but a very different way of living and thinking as you well know. Your last paragraph is optimistic but by no means a certainty, more hopeful, and if you are wrong life in this country could be very different for future generations who may not be able to enjoy the freedoms we are used to.

Not a situation I want to contribute to.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

tbh it's always been a problem
My bf and I would never dream of holding hands in public

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You need to walk hand in hand with your boyfriend in the right areas...it will soon become a problem for you.

I was going to say similar to this ,just because it hasn't affected you armand,doesn't mean to say it never will or doesn't happen.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There are already at least four towns in the country than have a majority non-white population - so how does that tally with your wild claim there are not enough muslims coming into to override the majority.

It isn't just about extremists, though of course the biggest concern, but a very different way of living and thinking as you well know. Your last paragraph is optimistic but by no means a certainty, more hopeful, and if you are wrong life in this country could be very different for future generations who may not be able to enjoy the freedoms we are used to.

Not a situation I want to contribute to.

Well for one,our girls wont be able to dress as they want and will be second class citizens, and used and abused.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You don't need to be extremist to be against LGBT, that's pretty mainstream in islamic culture. Enough to shift the majority might not be coming right now, but if the boats keep sailing, and the migrants keep getting distributed across Europe, things could change.



Is that why half of muslims in London are against homosexuality, because of how integrated they are?

Blatant changing of the goalposts here.

You couldn't win the argument on the culture side of things so now you're bringing up the LGBT again to try to score points.

As I said before, you could bring as many muslims into the country as you want, as many hardliners as you can fit and it won't affect the culture one bit because they aren't the overwhelming majority. They are outnumbered in the muslim community itself and are miniscule outside of it. All these people acting like Muslims can just Thanos click their fingers and everything that made this country what it is would disappear in an instant are just irrational. They always forget the tens of millions of non muslims that aren't suddenly going to disappear in this scenairio.

It's just illogical ignorance.

As for the LGBT point, ask any religion the same question and you'd get a similar 50/50 split, you cling to that stat so you can hate muslims while ignoring the fact that all religions preach a similar view on homosexuality. A 50/50 religious split hasn't stopped the march to progress in the past and it won't change anything now.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I said before, you could bring as many muslims into the country as you want, as many hardliners as you can fit and it won't affect the culture one bit because they aren't the overwhelming majority. They are outnumbered in the muslim community itself

Do you have a source for this?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

You can argue until the cows come home, but it's all gonna end in war, you'll have to decide what side you're on then.

This desire for a war is kinda disturbing.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you have a source for this?

Ah, the 'SD Special! Losing an argument? Buy time by asking the opposition to do a google search for you!'

If you want to disprove what I'm saying then go ahead and disprove it, be less lazy and research your own damn counter arguments.

I see you ignored my remarks about all religion having a similar 50/50 split in relation to views on LGBT, very telling that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

This desire for a war is kinda disturbing.

No desire from me, just pointing out the inevitable.

You don't need to be disturbed by me, I'm no threat to you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

No desire from me, just pointing out the inevitable.

You don't need to be disturbed by me, I'm no threat to you.

It's not inevitable, it's irrational. People clamouring for a damn race war disturb me more than muslim people just wanting to get on with their lives.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, the 'SD Special! Losing an argument? Buy time by asking the opposition to do a google search for you!'

If you want to disprove what I'm saying then go ahead and disprove it, be less lazy and research your own damn counter arguments.

I see you ignored my remarks about all religion having a similar 50/50 split in relation to views on LGBT, very telling that.

so true

[Tom4784]

This thread is really starting to remind me of a certain Beauty and the Beast song.

Youtube video

'We don't like what we don't understand
In fact it scares us
And this monster is mysterious at least'

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not inevitable, it's irrational. People clamouring for a damn race war disturb me more than muslim people just wanting to get on with their lives.

don't think it's just a race war
any foreigners, including whites, would get it

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not inevitable, it's irrational. People clamouring for a damn race war disturb me more than muslim people just wanting to get on with their lives.

War has happened right throughout history and is still happening today. What makes you think that we're safe from it?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, the 'SD Special! Losing an argument? Buy time by asking the opposition to do a google search for you!'

If you want to disprove what I'm saying then go ahead and disprove it, be less lazy and research your own damn counter arguments.

I see you ignored my remarks about all religion having a similar 50/50 split in relation to views on LGBT, very telling that.

I've already linked how prevalent anti-LGBT views are among multiple islamic communities.

According to this, over 60% of Orthodox Christians are in favour of LGBT being accepted. And that's lower than those of Catholics and Mainline Protestants who think the same.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've already linked how prevalent anti-LGBT views are among multiple islamic communities.

According to this, over 60% of Orthodox Christians are in favour of LGBT being accepted. And that's lower than those of Catholics and Mainline Protestants who think the same.

Ah, so you compare muslims as a whole and you cherry pick whatever factions of Christianity suit you best. I getcha.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I note

once again

The naysayers are just not addressing the issue of uncontrolled immigration and the negative effect on the UK culture and communities

Perhaps they could address that?

[Twosugars]

I thought Scotland needed immigration?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you compare muslims as a whole and you cherry pick whatever factions of Christianity suit you best. I getcha.

Why has a debate about Trump & immigration turned into another argument about religion .

Trump is a mentally disturbed bull in a China shop and most of what he says is BS abd his tweets are mostly incoherent .
And today's debate on The Wright stuff was unwatchable ,Nigel Farage is a weasel on crack with his head so far up Trump's bum I had to stop watching.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, so you compare muslims as a whole and you cherry pick whatever factions of Christianity suit you best. I getcha.

Okay I'll put it this way - the mean average of the different Christian groups who view it as acceptable was 57%, as opposed to 45% of muslims according to that data.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Why has a debate about Trump & immigration turned into another argument about religion .

Trump is a mentally disturbed bull in a China shop and most of what he says is BS abd his tweets are mostly incoherent .
And today's debate on The Wright stuff was unwatchable ,Nigel Farage is a weasel on crack with his head so far up Trump's bum I had to stop watching.

Why quote my post like I'm responsible for it? I'm not the one clamouring for war or acting like Shariah Law is even a possibility.

The muslim hysteria is utterly ridiculous and illogical, there's never going to be a 'muslim takeover' it's just people doing their best to justify their prejudice and Trump feeds on that prejudice since it's what got him elected.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay I'll put it this way - the mean average of the different Christian groups who view it as acceptable was 57%, as opposed to 45% of muslims according to that data.

So just over a ten percent difference, that's not much. You would have to be pedantic to the point of impracticality to act like 45% isn't basically a 50/50 split if you're gonna argue that 57% is dramatic enough to argue that the same 50/50 split isn't in effect for christianity. Thus my point stands, it's an issue common with all religion.